you're a two dimensional thinker, Warren, and you're taking the easy way out.

Yes, Warren, Americans are all despicable pigs until your countrymen need us. If you look back in history America has been called on by some of the most powerful and some of the poorest countries in the world to help fight their fights, feed their nations, rebuild their nations after a natural disaster, etc. I suggest you go back to your room and check to see if your holier than thou halo is adjusted properly. Nothing worse than walking down the street with your halo crooked as you cast aspersions and not tell everyone where you're from. Coward

The peeing may not be the despicable part. Maybe it is our foreign policy at work again that is dispicable.

"Warren" sounds like he's from the UK or Europe- where they ignorantly think all of America is one big redneck trailer park. Incidentally, in Europe and the UK Islamic fanatics are on the rise. I wouldn't be surprised if the next terrorists who perform despicable acts in the US aren't from there.

To MSNBC: I know it must sour some of you to see our government negotiating with the Taliban, but to release this video now, when sensitive negotiations are on-going to save bloodshed... really? Are you trying to promote more bloodshed? Sure looks like it.....

then when what you train them to do and to become offends your back-at home safe and sound, sensibilities, you act like they are the ones that did anything wrong.

13 years in the military and have seen combat and at no point in those 13 years did I ever get the urge to piss on a dead body, or know anyone else who did. Don't blame training or use stress relief as an excuse.

I hope Warren that you have the intelligence to note that the few American troops who behave in this manner are held accountable for their actions and are appropriately punished. From Abu-Gharib to Hadith....all the soldiers who acted in a manner inconsistent with American values have been prosecuted and jailed by America.

What other country in the world does this to their own soldiers ?

You train and want your Marines to be the most ruthless killing machines possible then when what you train them to do and to become offends your back-at home safe and sound, sensibilities, you act like they are the ones that did anything wrong.

We train them to be warriors, not dishonorable little children.

That's the ideal anyway, unfortunately there is a significant segment in America today that sees Muslims as subhuman and thinks torture is A-OK. It's that very mentality which leads to pathetic conduct such as this.

Why do we always miss a perfect PR opportunity to spin the tale of a dear and old custom of fighter respect? That pissing on your enemy is a western culture and is meant as a sign of respect and means that to spill piss and blood together is for eternal endearment and respect. That the fluids of great warriors shall ever mingle in the ever after.

Where the heck are our public relations people. That they couldn't think fast enough to get a culture full of people with strange rituals, some far stranger than the fairy tale that I just spun.

Yes muslim world it is a right to passage that all western warriors believe in as a truely honorable custom amongst enemies. That will allow enemies to be recognised by foe in heaven as a fierce and strong warrior so they may walk together in peace. I would have had them all pissing in a circle on their mothers graves by the time I was done explaining that one away!

Not to mention the upgrade is sure to attract those virgins with such a heavenly scent.

Fedup; that is how Northerners feel about Southerners centuries after the Civil War. Some of those devil offspring down South still want to take up arms against the North....that Cajun witch doctor religion will never die out...lmao.

Bradley; you made a real post, the World does end in 2012 after all.

The actions of the Military and the actions of its soldiers are not the same - military decisions are made with profits in mind and feelings are not a part of the process. Soldiers are self controlled, emotions often over ride training...unless our training has degraded to the point of encouraging such actions, but even then it is an individual who has gone rouge doing the training. So how many rouge officers do we have...is the whole system broken? Most Muslims don't want war any more than you do - it was US sanctions that fueled the Taliban, not religion. Americans who make this about religion are no different than what they accuse Muslims of.

Some of you think "going rouge" is cute...they even like to put cross-hairs on maps without thinking the weak minded might actually follow such shallow thinking.

Not trying to justify what the marines did at all. But come on they video cutting the heads off of americans, burn or flags, and we are suppose to bad for these @!$%#s.

Warren- you are brainless to lump all americans because of the actions of a few. We are almost always the first country to bail out a piece of $hit country(most in likely like the one you live in) at the drop of a hat when something goes wrong. Maybe some of us that think like you is why we consider any one of muslim descent a terrorist.

YELDARB: Good post!

Chris from Yucaipa: Where did you see combat? Thru field glasses??

13 years in the military and have seen combat and at no point in those 13 years did I ever get the urge to piss on a dead body, or know anyone else who did. Don't blame training or use stress relief as an excuse.

What do you think the punishment for these guys should be, Chris?

We lost many lives in Afghanistan, our soldiers know the enemy better than anyone sitting behind a desk or on a couch.

Semper Fidelis

In nature a lot of critters mark their territory by laying down their scent so that other critters are aware of their dominance/control of an area.

This is a natural situation for these soldiers, it's what they do, or better yet, it's basically a culmination of what they are trained to do. Obviously, they are bored.

What we need to do is get them the hell out of there!

It's called demoralizing the enemy. In VietNam, cutting off a body part so they couldn't get to their "heaven," was practiced.

In viet nam they called that a blessing!

The taliban are not worth pissing on...bring our troops home...

You can murder someone, but cant wee on them?! Man this seems backwards.

How can this help recruiting. If you join the Taliban, you will end up dead with a Marine p*ssing on you. That should have them lined up around the block.

Yeldarb27: Those are fine words, but I'll bet a years' salary that you wouldn't have the courage to say the same thing if the roles were reversed.

They drag our people through the streets behinds trucks, hang them from bridges, and behead them. The bodies being urinated on were enemy combatants (meaning they were out to kill the young men peeing on them). Since it caused an outcry, I believe their punishment should be to be sent home without supper. Let the punishment fit the severity of the crime. Oh, and since the rest of our troops just might do the same thing, they should all be sent home too. Can't have them hurting the enemy's feelings.

Warren doesn't know what he is talking about, obviously, and thanks to a few a-holes, he gets to keep parading his wrong point of view around.

So, first these 4 marines act like a bunch of turds. Then they take a picture. What part of stupid doesn't apply here?

And here we are, how many years after Abu Gharib? Someone sterilize these marines.

Funny its not offensive for Muslims to drag our dead through their cities and spit on them or hang them from a bridge, mutilate and dismember their bodies, behead their captives, no that's OK that's war. let one or more Marines piss on some dead bodies and All HELL breaks out. something is out of balance here, it was stupid for them to allow themselves get caught, it was bad judgement. no one brings up the previous act, how did those Taliban get into that position in the first place and why? Id be pouring buckets of pig piss on them. whats worse urinating or killing? we are talking about a country that's National pass time is to go out and kill someone, doesn't matter who just kill someone.

people can be so self righteous. i agree with d buck.

Who cares what Warren (betcha he lives in Europe, doesn't bathe often and wears a fanny-pack) thinks?!?

"Looking at such action, the Taliban can easily recruit young people and tell them that their country has been attacked by Christians and Jews and they must defend it," he said in the first comments from a high-ranking Afghan.

What??? More muslim lies!

fed up with fed, your comment clearly shows exactly how little you know, this is exactly the type of thing that the taliban and al queada recruiters use to recruit their ignorant kids into their extremist insanity. they use this as propaganda to prove to their recruits that the US has declared war on islam and they have no choice but to fight. and FROM THE RIGHT-WING CRAP YOU ARE SPEWING, IT MAKES THE TALIBAN SOUND LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT

in your case, more right-wing, fake christian, "kiill em for god" lies, can't tell the difference between the crap you spew and the crap the taliban spews

As long as there is war, there will be this type of behavior! It doesn't matter what country you're from, what color you are, what sex you are or even what religion you might or might not be!!! It will continue to happen!!! You can say boys will be boys or war is hell................................but it ain't gonna stop!!!!!!

I'm an American living in America and this disgusts me. I thought the point of being an American is to be better than them and prove how they act is wrong. How can we do this when we act exactly like them. I guess I just don't understand war in general, lets kill to prove killing is wrong.

You know its strange that we are seeing these utterly disrespectful instances more and more daily from the military, events that range from taking body parts as trophies, to gang raping killing and burning a 14 year old girl and her family, to stacking naked inmates in humiliating formations and taking pictures with them, and now this and God knows what is not reported or caught, every time this happens we say these are some bad apples and we brush this behavior under the rug (sorry about the run on). Besides this we are seeing extremely alarming things within our nation daily, people slaughtering each other, dismembering each other, Church crime, Child Molestation from all sectors of society, corporations ruining lives etc etc and again we say these are just bad apples. I agree with that, these are in fact just some bad apples.
However the issue is that when someone in another country does the same thing, we unanimously yell out they are animals, they are neanderthals. We label an entire group or nation as guilty of the crime of one or two or few, we don't care as to how much they say about these peoples that these are just some bad apples. All I am saying is that hypocrisy with us has reached a new high.

While I can understand the mindset of the marines in this video (in the heat of battle, they're the enemy, etc.) I cannot be supportive of their actions. Americans, in general, are better than this! While not coming close to stooping to the level of some of their actions to US captives, our troops need to be aware that they represent America while they are there and these types of actions give the impression that Americans are insensitive and disrepectful. War these days is different because every action has the potential of being recorded and publized worldwide and has a significant impact on how the US is viewed. We can't go around preaching humane treatment of others while pissing on corpses. And while the actions of these few marines is not the way our country or military generally operate, to the world, it makes it seem as if it is.

Considering what these Taliban soldiers would have done to these Marines, if they were captured alive.....I'd say they got, what they deserved!

We need to get the HELL out of there and let them fend for themselves, they and the Taliban, hated us BEFORE this video came out.....

But you don't see those Video's!!!

What do you all expect? This is "War." Wait a second; no it isn't. As with Iraq, Viet Nam, and Korea there has never been a Declaration of War by the Congress. Consequently, do the Rules of Engagement really apply? No they don't. What are these men suppose to do? Dig a grave through all that rock and read the Koran over his remains? Perhaps they should have called Geneva or the Hague and asked permission to piss. I can hear them now, " that sob nearly blew my head off, piss on him...." As it stands the Pentagon and the Department of State have already tried and convicted these men. Where did this video come from? Is it real or contrived?

Last year many American families received letters from the Pentagon. "You will have to wait. We cannot fully identify the body of your son. There were, sadly, 23 men blown to smithereens by a road side bomb. We have body parts all over the place and are trying to put them back together, an arm here and a leg there. Here an arm there an arm every where a body part!"

Now that our brave men and women have returned home from Iraq where is the "Parade?" The men who fought and survived Viet Nam had to wait a decade for the honor of marching in parade down the streets of Washington. Had to wait because there was so much concern that the general population might spit on them, or toss balloons full of pig's blood on them.

Hamid Karzai, once a member of the Taliban,( yes it is true, check it out or ask him), calls this "insane." The late ambassador Richard Holbrook had reached the point with Karzai that he could hardly bring himself to talk to the lying sob. Now, Marc Grossman is on his way to make nice. In the process Grossman please ask him where our missing Billions of Dollars are? There is a ton of our dollars that have never been accounted for. Perhaps that money went to the people who have made billions off this war and Iraq by the free market sales of weapons. They don't want this war to end. That would be the end of their gravy train and our dollars.

just take a look at some of Warrens previous comments, He is anti American. wants it to fall. Talks about China never doing anything to harm anyone, of course there great civil rights to there citizen aside. he wont say what county he is from. But defends everything anti American. I just looked at his last comments on things and its all anti American. This was a terrible act. If we are representing countries by the act of a couple here and there every country is full of monsters. Go to hell Warren, hiding behind your keyboard with a Halo around your head.

Reading your other comments your a scumbag and want Americans to die. Families hoping for there relative being held by the Taliban to get hoe safe and you say execute him and what wre we doing there. Your a piece of work. I hope in China you say the wrong thing and they execute you you talk about disgusting , deplorable pigs, look in the mirros

I am a foreign English teacher in China. Four of my students have gone to American schools to study. This is mainly due to the high pressure on students in China and the academic structure of schools. Most if not all will return to China. This will make China greater than America, it's not far off... We need an end to the American superpower and the fresh start of a new rising power.

And this gem...............

Let's rather kill American's for fun it is a much better sport. The whole world is now anti-America.

Followed by talk in an article about the family hoping for there relative being held by the Taliban, Warrens thoghts on it

Execute him. What were the Americans doing there in the first place.

YEAH!! SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!

Not a chance.

To MSNBC: I know it must sour some of you to see our government negotiating with the Taliban, but to release this video now, when sensitive negotiations are on-going to save bloodshed... really? Are you trying to promote more bloodshed? Sure looks like it.....

If sensitive negotiations are on-going, then you'd think something like this wouldn't happen in the first place. Are you trying to cover up these heinous acts committed by YOUR military? Sure looks like it.....

Peace talks? BS, they are just going through the Taliban equivalent of chapter eleven! they are starting to fall apart and what we should be doing is hitting them even harder, the Taliban is sub human and needs to be destroyed or they will just reorganize and return as a bigger threat. The Taliban does not comprehend death it has no meaning to them, its Allah's will. the Marines were using psychological warfare on them if they are unclean they cant go to their heaven, they would refuse to fight if this was the case, they should be degraded they understand and fear that, pack their mouths with pork, they will be afraid to fight. this enemy is so backwards its the only way to defeat them, prevent them from going to heaven. war has no place for PC just get the nasty business over with. a good effective weapon to use on them that is cheep and will work is blood fertilizer from pigs blood they would be so scared of that and not going to heaven that the war would be over in no time because they would have no recruits, just use their superstitions against them and its over. no more killing but no we have to be PC about everything. BS. we have them on the run, now is not the time to talk peace now is the time to win, get it overwith once and forever.

On being human. We aren't perfect. War is all about an enemy trying to shoot you or blow you up. At the same time you are trying to shoot or blow them up first...before they get you. It's exhausting. It's terrifying. It's a tad harder and more stressful than the job of 99.9% of those commenting on this blog.

That alone means that people will be behaving badly as would YOU, dear reader. Why do you think the military is all about discipline? Its because when someone sees enough of their friends blown up, shot and horribly wounded they may go a bit crazy and do something like piss on the body of a dead enemy.

I don't condone the act but I certainly don't think our soldiers are somehow less flawed that you and I are in that they will be 24/7, walking examples of "Jesus' love" on the battle field.

Holier than thou much? Take "war is hell" and wrap it up in "Life's a bitch" and allow me to add a hardy "get the f*k over it"! Punish them. Put them in front of a counsilor. If they continue then article 15 them out of the military. Done.

I pray the gods of justice will hold the more rabid complainers here to the same standards to which they are holding our overly taxed and stressed soldiers.

To those of you that keep saying that unless you have been in combat in war you wouldn't understand or that they did horrible things to our soliders too...

1. I have also never been in a professional boxing match but I still knew it was inexcusable when Tyson bit Holyfields ear. I can't believe that you would even suggest that somehow being in a combat situation makes you actually find it excusable to piss on a dead body. I can't even imagine getting the urge to piss on a dead anything!

2. I understand they did horrible things as well, but saying the taliban did bad things first is a 3rd graders line of logic at best. We expect better from our military...that's the whole damn point of calling our military the best.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil rights group in the United States, condemned the alleged desecration of corpses in a letter to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and obtained by Reuters.

ROFLMAO, When are the Muslims going to condemn the acts of radical Islamic Terrorists? Answer, they're not that would offend the child raping false Prophet Muhammad. *&&^Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rest in peace Nicholas Berg.

I am sure that you forgot about that.

Hey BRAINDAMAGED, don't you mean "rogue and NOT rouge"............lmao................just curious? Oh and by the way, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT SOUTHERNERS/CAJUNS DO OR DO NOT THINK AND YOUR prejuduce COMMENT of "devil offspring" IS UNCALLED FOR because GOD forbid there are no DEMENTED NORTHERNERS WITH DEVIL OFFSPRING, YEAH RIGHT! I wonder just where the guys who pissed on those dead bodies were from, i bet not one of them were Cajuns! YOU SICK RACIST!!!

my buddy was a marine.in basic training the drill instructor called him all kinds of names to weed out the cry babies.didnt work.then he insulted his mother.my buddy told the drill instructor "you can call me anything you want but you cant insult mom".so of course thats just what the di did and my buddy hit him.he was taken before the lieutenant and the lt insulted his mother.he got hit.now theyre going to court marshal him so he goes before the col.the col says were here to train fighting men looks like youve got one.i suggest you dont talk about his mother again.oh and thatll be 3 months in the stockade for you.no one ever insulted his mother again.

These guys have no reason for this. Just boots being stupid. When I served in 3/2 our unit was known for sending more detainees to Abu Grab and turning over more land to the Iraqi Army than any other unit. Now we're known as the unit who pisses on bodies. Is war dehumanizing? Sure, I was there and saw it first hand. You name something and I've probably seen it, doesn't mean I have the urge to piss on their bodies... well maybe sometimes you want too, but the fact is only idiots would act on it, then video tape it, and THEN post it on youtube. 3/2's motto is Unus Supra, or One Above.... That's not how those boots acted.

stmiller has it right. no excuses for this. They have done horrible things to us and they're horrible people but that means we should pee on dead bodies? Come on people, lets use our brains here. Is anyone home? Combat and high stress makes you want to pee on dead bodies, is that really what I'm being lead to believe by these commenters? Well thats not true. the fact is this is disgusting. and the argument that they have done worse to us, so lets downgrade our values, is also retarded. Really? lets have some dignity and self respect people. And if the fact that this was just wrong doesn't matter to you, how about the fact that JUST because of this video, you know how many soldiers KIA now are gonna get pissed on by terrorists? I hope it was worth it for these guys, they couldn't just go on the tree behind them.

This kind of crap happens. I just wish they would find the guy with the camera and kick his ass. Pissing on an enemy corpse is one thing, filming it so it winds up on youtube is another thing. Needs his ass kicked for making the video.

These guys deserved to be punished... but at the same time you have to think: It was ok to shoot them and kill them.. but not pee on them?

The video that surfaced a day earlier..... could aggravate anti-American sentiment in Afghanistan.

The average Afganistan "citizen" would, I'm quite sure, do more to a dead Taliban fighter than just piss on them. If they had the courage to stand up to them. The Taliban are brutal and the average Afgani is as afraid of them as the average American is of a bunch of gang bangers armed with MAC10s.

Piss on them all - they were not out there sight seeing - they were out there to maim and kill and they got what they deserved - war is not about being nice...it is about beating and killing the enemy...these men did not piss on a muslim or mohammed or a father with children - they pissed on a killer that would have done the same to them. To say that America has to be better or act differently then everybody else? Where does that come from? If so why don't we just meet force with like force? It is because we fight to win...They should have pissed on Osama as well.

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"Warren" sounds like he's from the UK or Europe- where they ignorantly think all of America is one big redneck trailer park. Incidentally,

Actually, your post sounds like something spoken by a redneck.

What do you think the punishment for these guys should be, Chris?

After an article 32 hearing, I would court martial them out of the service. We trained to be better than this, there is no excuse. The Taliban and I are in agreement though, this won't affect their supposed peace talks because the Taliban has no intention of ever giving up their weapons, nor their power.

If they need more urine, I'll gladly donate.

Semper Fidelis.

Look guys and gals. I'm a 25 year vet and I will tell you folks out there defending this that it is NOT OK and NOT excuseable. I don't give a rats ass what the taliban does. We are better than that, and this behaviour is dishonorable and unprofessional.

That's right, blow their brains out, but God forbid you pee on them.

What's worse?

what's really irritating about this story is the reaction of john q public and military bureaucrats that their "professional" soldiers are letting them down by not behaving like good boys and girls while presumably fighting a war, I mean is it a war or isn't it, and if it isn't, it's time to quit sending our troops around like a bunch of mercenaries, american public continues to disgust me for putting up with these corporate police actions

After all is said and done, we lost in Iraq. We are losing and will ultimately give up in Afganistan and just leave with out tails between our legs. Our political leaders no longer have the will or know how to win a war. What they need is for our soldiers to refrain from this kind of behavior while they "negotiate" for peace with the Taliban and declare "victory". This behavior just makes it harder for our political leaders to kiss up to our enemies and cover the political asses.

I see that my previous post stirred the pot a bit....Too bad.

Many negative replies to me simply show your inabilities to grasp what war really is.

War is simply the very worst situation a human can be in. It is the most disgusting and dehumanizing event possible. It means killing people. Some up close and personal, some from missile silos or bombers far away. It is an unfortunate fact of life and survival for ones true standards and belief systems. I hate war.

War IS NOT for the weak or heart or mind. It is not a place to practice diplomacy, tact, patience, goodwill, morals, ethics, or good conduct. I don't think I am the one that coined the phrase "War is Hell".

IF and only if this was being practiced outside of a war event, say at some funeral or hospital, yes I too would find it deplorable. But during a time of war, some of you pusses want to hold our troops to proper etiquette tips. F.U.. If you really want to do them a service, end the war that these fine gentlemen did not start but are only there to protect OUR basic abilities and rights to be able to do something so mundane as these very posts. This entire event reminds me of the very beginning of the war. The Navy pilots were dropping bombs on the targets killing hundreds at a time. the public thought that was OK until, some sailors started writing offensive words on the bombs. That practice was considered deplorable too. It is politically correct to kill them by the hundreds, but the strong insults on the bombs was just considered to be in bad taste. So we had to put a stop to it. Not the bombing, but the foul language. WTF??????

God Bless our Troops and death to our enemies.

And Chris from Yuca, I am not "blaming" training on these troops actions, I am "accrediting" training for these troops actions. Continue on with your service, all branches of the military still need good supply clerks too.

I'd be collecting skulls like in the movie "Predator". ;)

And Chris from Yuca, I am not "blaming" training on these troops actions, I am "accrediting" training for these troops actions. Continue on with your service, all branches of the military still need good supply clerks too.

Yes and we still need folks like yourself who require waivers for low ASVAB scores to walk point.

And we always will walk point without discourage or despair because we love our country. We will trod on in spite of all the liberal detractors and moral objectors. We will also die for our country but only if necessary. I just can't fathom how you or anyone can look at that picture and accept and condone the murder of any person including these, while still objecting to what you consider to be tacky/ deplorable and disgraceful conduct.

This simply equates to MURDER is OK, but we find pissing totally unacceptable. "Grow a pair" and try to grasp what the true horrors or war really are. Many of our fine soldiers are being killed daily but we so-called Americans would rather spend out time condemning our own damn troops. We thank you so much.

And we always will walk point without discourage or despair because we love our country. We will trod on in spite of all the liberal detractors and moral objectors. We will also die for our country but only if necessary. I just can't fathom how you or anyone can look at that picture and accept and condone the murder of any person including these, while still objecting to what you consider to be tacky/ deplorable and disgraceful conduct.

This simply equates to MURDER is OK, but we find pissing totally unacceptable. "Grow a pair" and try to grasp what the true horrors or war really are. Many of our fine soldiers are being killed daily but we so-called Americans would rather spend out time condemning our own damn troops. We thank you so much.

oieatsum2; I'm in a mixed marriage and live in the South, be it Arizona.

Thanks for the correction - it was the rogue crazy Northerner with rouge that put the cross hairs on maps.

Take a chill pill - if you get that upset over a joke, then maybe you are exactly the person who still holds a grudge against the North.

The fact you can't tell sarcasm when you read it tells me you have deep seeded issues.

Look at the history of anything human and you will find deplorable actions done by all...nobody is above anyone else. My ancestors were Vikings - now if I was a gun-ho macho dick I'd find some reason to think what they did was okay - the facts are what they did was not okay, and neither was what all of your ancestors did.

Humans constantly fighting each other and then justifying it with imaginary excuses, just make the entire human race less than what we should strive for.

First of all BRAINDAMAGED, congatulations on you offering the details of your Marriage to all of us here on this message board but honestly it makes not one bit of difference to me that you married or the race of your mate! Also, although a Louisiana native i'm not Cajun and happen to have Northern and Southern Ancestry. It was just the fact that YOU brought race into your post/tasteless joke, but Cajuns are pretty forgiving people so you are probably ok on that one! But i do have a problem with your presumptuous statement that i have or hold any grudge against anyone, especially since you haven't any clues about who i am or how i think or my view of others in our pretty screwed up world. You mentioned that i cannot identify with what you called in your words to be "sarcasm and that it told you that i have deep seeded issues" hmmm.....Wow, exactly what are you some kind of physic? You have gained all this about me from your OPINION my friend and is surely not based on any "FACT" as you also wrote and seem so sure of, but that's cool as i can handle your opinion of me that you gathered from my writing of one paragraph in response to your offensive post about people that you probably or possibly know nothing about except from some of what you have seen on maybe something like Swamp People....lol....Something else there killuh, Thanks again for offering more unasked for and detailed information of who your ancestors were, and nothing against them surely but let me tell you something pal you know absolutely NOTHING about my ancestors so lets just keep them out of this! One last thing for you mister mixed marriaged Viking, just because as you offered the details of the this to me, being this is what you chose for yourself one would think that YOU like many people just like you that are in a mixed marriage should not only know but feel in your heart that speaking in a derogatory way of any other human being (joking or not) that is different then ourselves should CERTAINLY NEVER be coming out of your mouth! You'll learn to be more sensitive to these issues as time goes by HOPEFULLY! Oh and by the way i decided to offer something to you about my future bride to be, She is a Gorgeous Lady from Manilla and i too will also be a VERY LUCKY Man that will be in a mixed marriage! So no matter how you take what i had to say here today i will take the high road and say to you, Good Luck with your Marriage to your Lady as this is a trend that is increasing all across America by the millions! ......................................No matter what IMO our GREAT SOLDIERS shouldn't be lowering themselves to a Ruthless and VERY CRUEL ENEMY by urinating on them as it just shows how war can dehumanize even the Greatest of Men! Because no matter what you and i have had words over and disagree on WE DO LIVE IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and we need to get these guys home and get some help for the ones that have been traumatized by these DAMN WARS!...........M.Stuart, Baton Rouge, La.................

At some point, these policies cannot be tolerated, ever, regardless of what happens in war. We have to start practicing what we preach at some point. Don't we? What's the point in fighting for freedom and decency Is this President Obama's fault, too? I'm waiting for those on the Right those make that statement any minute now.

War turns boys into monsters. This is the least of the things we've done. This is why war should be for defense, not nation building non-sense.

Maybe they should have drug the bodies through the streets, burned them and hung them up from the nearest bridge. Give me a break!!!!

Americans have hung Americans, dragged them through the street, burned them, and them from trees.

situational ethics = no ethics

2 wrongs does not equal 1 right

Proud...it seems to be that those men have been there too long and have stooped to the level of the "enemy" It's time for them to come home.

It's one thing to urinate on dead enemy... It's another to video tape it... But it's absolutely RETARDED beyond the prior two to release the video of it to the public via media channels! Now even more people can find a reason to hate America!

it's NBC ...they can't wait for oppurtunies like this

humm where to begin , well i will never watch this channel again it is crazy crap like this that makes american people hate our troops not support them.....our troops have no choice but to do what the government tells them to do and they have to be over there because our president tells them they have to , sad as i am about this i to believe it is fake.... no soldier would ruin his or her career over over this....report on the true things that really happen like how many of our young men and women acutually come home injured or in a pine box or maybe that we as american people let them down by not giving them the proper equitment to do there jobs with out injury,or that because of other nations laws about rules of engagement they really can not defend themslef accordingly, something eles other than bunk............you lost my viewership.......

Until you have seen what these men have seen and watched what the Taliban has done to the dead body's of are boy's, you will never understand....

no soldier would ruin his or her career over over this

It's one thing to support our troops - it's another to support our troops to the point of denial.

This kind of stuff happens. Because people are stupid. It's not fake.

Tit-for tat thinking only lowers your human consciousness - go there if you must, but it won't make you the better person/country.

What did the Marines in the picture gain from doing this...I thought I had some regretful actions in my life, some people never reflect on them selves other than to inflate their egos.

Some of you don't want peace no matter what the situation is...you probably still want to slash the tires of the teacher who embarrassed you in 3rd grade...get over it.

It's one thing to support our troops - it's another to support our troops to the point of denial.

This kind of stuff happens. Because people are stupid. It's not fake.

Hate to say it, but you're RIGHT, Shuk. Not good. Not good at all.

Make no mistake, the Taliban will go back to fighting and killing, and I don't buy for a second that these peace talks will even take place, but that doesn't matter here.

Court marshall? I don't know. But these troops SHOULD be reprimanded.

I support our troops; I don't see any Officers there forcing them to pee on dead bodies. Most employees get an Employee handbook that lays out the rules - the Military has a very extensive rule book - show us the rule upper military brass laid out that says this is SOP?

Support for soldiers is objective - I think supporting them means you don't force them into situations that profit oil barons, you keep them home and only use them as a last resort.

Making up excuses is reactive - the USA won't be proactive until all the profits are exhausted, which is still a reactive mentality.

brian-1077790

Its not only on NBC and other US channels. The BBC was one of the first news channels to break this news.

An Internet video showing what appear to be U.S. forces in Afghanistan urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters will not affect efforts to broker peace talks, a spokesman for the Afghan Taliban said Thursday.

What is insane to me is the fact that we think we can broker any kind of deal with the Taliban hahaha. It takes a special kind of moron to believe in that

Court marshall? I don't know. But these troops SHOULD be reprimanded.

Well - if they were simply reported by another Marine, or caught doing it... then a reprimand might be in order.

But since they were dumb enough to film it and lose control of the video so that it ended up on youtube, a little larger of a spanking might be in order for that lack of discretion. It puts the entire organization in a bad light.

But that depends on their rank as well - the higher, the bigger the spanking. It would be a damn shame if any NCOs were included in this (and probably were unfortunately)

What is insane to me is the fact that we think we can broker any kind of deal with the Taliban hahaha. It takes a special kind of moron to believe in that

Yeah, I'm not sure why exactly we feel the need recognize a defunct government hiding in the mountains across the border in another country. But then again, we got to leave sometime - there may be some sort of strategy to this. Sometimes you just got to make people feel important and included, that way you can tie them up with diplomatic nonsense indefinitely. They might be like NK and lash out sometimes, and it's no real solution - but it's indeed a way to deal with things when you have other priorities.

Why Would the Taliban leave the negotiations because of this?~~~~ BS! .. They know where their interest lie, and will continue to pursue those interest ... which is regaining power in Afghanistan .... which they will ..

What a non story, geared for the emotionalism ... The Taliban leadership is laughing its ass off!

What is insane to me is the fact that we think we can broker any kind of deal with the Taliban hahaha. It takes a special kind of moron to believe in that

Lolz. When we pull out of there (and we, WILL- there will come a time) they can resume pi$$ing on each other and on the civilians they kill.

Oh wait! <*snap*> THEY NEVER STOPPED DOING THAT!!!!!!

Of course much worse things happened in this stupid war. Like the 10 years of the war itself - what a complete waste of money and lives. And US is still supporting one of the most corrupt governments in the world - the one of Karzai the Crook.

Rulebook?? Employee Handbook?? You have no idea what your talking about. War at large, and battles like this don't have every situation planned out. It's called improvise, adapt, overcome. Maybe cliche, but true. This is a reaction to the things the enemy has done to many of their freinds and brothers. These are American men with American ideals, trained by the Marines to kill. They did their duty(not job), what their COC asked them to do. Only mistake was rolling the camera while they let some steam off after a job well done!

War at large, and battles like this don't have every situation planned out.

Actually there is policy and regulations of how killed enemy combatants are to be treated and documented. So I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

This is a reaction to the things the enemy has done to many of their freinds and brothers

And it's wrong and goes against the core values of the Marine Corps. They are supposed to be soldiers, warriors - and held to those standards. It's one thing for the enemy to do it, it's another for our soldiers to do it themselves. They are better than such conduct.



Only mistake was rolling the camera while they let some steam off after a job well done!

But - since you're someone that seems to think it's perfectly OK to piss on dead bodies to blow off some steam, it really says all there needs to be said about your character as a person.

They are there to convince themselves and others that they're tough.

When I joined it was to serve my country, whatever it was that my country asked of me through our elected leaders. Yes, in case you forgot, we elect them.

When I joined it was for college money, experience, and to go places that I was likely never to go.

When I joined it was to get out of my hoobunk little town.

It had little to do with proving anything to myself or anyone.

i support our troops

humm where to begin , well i will never watch this channel again it is crazy crap like this that makes american people hate our troops not support them.....

Give credit where credit is due. It was not MSNBC that made the US Marines look like uncivilized barbarians, it was a few American servicemen who were not just bad enough to urinate on dead human beings, not just stupid enough to film themselves doing it, but moronic enough to allow it to end up being viewed by the entire world.

These are the guys with whom you should be angry. It is people like these that makes America look bad. Not just to the enemy, but to the entire world and their fellow countrymen.

Join the taliban lefty scum

Don't clump knuckleheads like Jerri in with all lefties.

Hundreds of thousands of soldiers have served in Afghanistan and Iraq, many are young men and women who have been flown to a distant country with violent, stone aged surroundings. The fact you have some soldiers do stupid things, maybe even criminal things from time to time shouldn't be any surprise, you have the same things on every college in the country. Whenever you're talking about tens to hundreds of thousands of people you are going to get a bad egg or two, and/or you will get a normal good guy make a dumb, bad choice from time to time. Look at any college and you will see the same thing. Considering the conditions these men and women are under it is a statement of pride that most handle themselves very well, and those who do show poor judgement are held accountable by their peers and superiors unlike our enemies.

I have noticed that stories like this always bring out the same type of post over and over again. The poster starts with the usual requisite insults, the typical name calling ie:" camel kissers", "sand-you know whats" and my personal favorite- "rag-heads". The poster then goes on to describe what animals these people are, or how they have no respect for life, and what horrible acts they are capable of. Lastly, the poster will suggest that we take similar actions to the ones they just condemned in their last sentence. Oh if I had a nickel for every post that fits this formula!!!

The attitudes and desires of these posters leads me to believe that they would be happier living in a different country, but certainly not America. We do things differently here. We are supposed to be civilized, honorable, and above doing all the nasty things that other countries do. If you want to stoop to their level, go live with them.

Regarding this article, yes I think this was a dishonorable thing for those soldiers to do, absolutely 100 percent. And it surely will be perfect for recruiting material for the other side. But I also try to keep in mind that I have never been to war, I have never feared for my life, I don't know what it is like to be in that situation, and what it can do to a person's sense of what is right and wrong. It is easy to judge from the safety of the home behind my keyboard, so although i am upset by their actions, I don't want to pass judgement too quickly.

I'll tell you this...that wheelbarrow looks indicative of the junk in Iraq / Afghanistan. It's my guess this is authentic.

Extremely unprofessional if it is found to be real.

Does anyone remember the wars of our past? Politicians and Military leaders used to get on TV and the radio and rally the American people by telling how we would win the war. You win a war by being twice as cruel, mean, hard, and nasty as the enemy you are fighting. If they kill one of our soldiers, then we have to kill two of theirs, that's the only way to win a war. Rules? are you kidding me? it's a war! Not a discussion, or debate, or diplomacy. Peace talks come at the end of the war, after we have won. You cannot rebuild a country and fight a war at the same time! Remember WWII? We destroyed Germany and Japan, and we secured surrenders from those countries. Then we left! Then we were asked to help rebuild, sure...no problem! Because we won the war! And we didn't win the war by being nice to the enemy, we won because we were far meaner than the enemy we were facing! Wake up people! War is cruel, and it should be! As long as civillians aren't targeted...then anything should be fair game.

Talk to returning soldiers. Ask them about ROE(rules of engagement)and how they changed FOR THE WORSE!!!Bring ALL home. Let the Afghani's fight for themselves. See how honorable they fight!Let the middle east destroy itself! Oh no we can't do that, we need their OIL!!!What we need is a CIC with gonads to do this, not one beholding to BIG OIL. In the mean time remove all reporters from the field of battle, and let soldiers follow orders.

LogicRequired makes a good (albeit lengthy) point.

It's a testament to our Marines that this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to our country that we will punish those responsible for such poor conduct, and that we don't condone it (with the exception of a few neanderthals).



And we didn't win the war by being nice to the enemy, we won because we were far meaner than the enemy we were facing!

My dead Grandfather who was on the beaches of Normandy would have punched me in the face if he heard that I pissed on corpses while deployed. No, you're wrong. You do what is necessary, you fight harder, you kill harder, you're meaner and 10X more vicious than anyone else - but I'm not sure how that translates into something as petty as pissing on corpses.

When it comes to POWs and the dead, you treat them humanely. You show the dead respect, regardless of who they were in life. That's American honor - have we forgotten?

War Crime = Oxymoron

They are there for one reason and one reason only: they have the same big-shot egomania as George W. Bush. They are not there to fight for our freedom. They are not there to protect the United States. They are not there to catch bin Laden.

They are there to convince themselves and others that they're tough.

They are there because not only George Bush but Congress and America as a whole wanted them to go. Remember this story is about Afghanistan which was not a war that was questioned at the time. They are there to bring elections to people who have been oppressed by gang lords and religious fanatics for years. They are their to tear down terror training camps that train people to attack and kill Americans. They are there because they take the risk to fight enemies overseas instead of us fighting them at home. a$$ h0le

Interesting you mention stringing up the bodies. The Iraqis did do that to our contractors and it did galvanize the war effort and led to two entire battles for Fallujah with casualties on all sides. Hopefully this video does not have the same kind of impact, because you can hardly blame the Afghans if it does.

at least they didn`t # 2 on them.

OORAH!! Only thing those dudes did wrong was make a freakin movie.

They should be pouring pig urine instead on the bastards instead. Every dam one they kill. BUT we haven done a dam thing to the bastard who did the killing in Fort Hood. That is who they should be pissing on, not the Afghans. While we are pissing we should line up the jerk that teamed up with weekyleaks.

Only thing those guys did wrong was everything they did in that video. You don't urinate on a corpse. It doesn't matter who that corpse was, it is wrong. No matter how our enemy treats our captured and dead, it doesn't make it OK to do the same to their captured or dead. If we are to be better than our enemy, we must act better than them at all times. If anything, these guys should have said prayers over the bodies and posted that on Youtube. It would do more good for this country if we pray for those we have killed than taking a leak on them.

From now on, our soldiers need to not take videos of them doing stupid things. They should act as if every moment of their lives is on Youtube for somebody to see.

God bless our soldiers, and I hope they all do the right thing from now on. Lucky us, only a few of them are idiots like the "men" in that video.

I'm a veteran (although I was lucky enough to never be in combat), and I support our troops. But, I do not support this type of action - both due to moral issues and the fact they just handed our enemies another great propaganda tool which will result in more US military deaths down the road.

I would punish (and council) those involved, but for me, this doesn't rank anywhere near things such as torture and killing unarmed civilians. I'd go for something like kicking them out of the service with a BCD.

Given the fact that O'Bagger seems to forgive the Taliban for chopping off the heads of Americans (not even military) on line live, they should have saved the pi$$ for a live one.

It's called demoralizing the enemy. In VietNam, cutting off a body part so they couldn't get to their "heaven," was practiced. Semper Fi...

All you uneducated fools whining about this, how about we look at things on a common sense scale(i know most of you dont HAVE common sense, but try to follow along), Lets look at the levels of disrespect, shooting and killing a man VS letting him live and just urinating on him. MORALLY letting him live is the more important thing, MORALLY the sin is much less if you let him live.

My point is, NONE of you have any problem that a group of human beings were killed, noooooo you all bathe in their blood saying they are "Bad guys" but you get enraged over a bodily function.

Your rage is misplaced, Yes these are "the bad guys" but you gloss right over the death and grind your axes on the lesser action.

I submit that many of the sick people are right here in this post.

Besides, urinating on their faces is a good way to make sure they ARE dead, and not just faking untill they can shoot you in the back.

This is despicable. They should have some respect for the dead.

You are soldiers, not American degenerates.

This is absurd!

The only stupidity I see here is the video camera!

Two kinds of people in these posts, those that condemn it and those that back the soldiers. For those that condemn it I ask, how do you ask a man to kill another man for political goals and then cry foul when the dog is off the chain? Do you think the people of Japan hold a grudge against us for dropping two nuclear weapons on their civilians? They are one of our strongest allies. You don't win wars by worrying what the enemy will think of you for your actions. As in WWII, you must demonize the enemy, make him look less than human to your civilian population so that exterminating him will be tolerated by the people. Then once you have crushed him completely and he is begging for peace may you resolve your political goals. War is hell and if you cant tolerate it I suggest you keep our real patriots home. The dead feel nothing it is the living who are offended and wail at injustice. Serve your country by putting it all on the line if you feel so strongly about what you see then maybe your voice will matter. Until then you are no more important then those dead and being pissed on.

Sorry - while it wasn't smart, I really find nothing wrong here. If there were four guys shooting at me, who would happily take me prisoner and behead me on television - and I shot and killed them - a little piss on their grave would be in order.

"We fight for decency, and pissing on a corpse isn't decent...." ... I have to ask "And shooting them in between the eyes is decent?" ...

Sounds like you folks condemning this have your priorities out of order.

No one ever said war was a pretty thing, there have always been and always will be things deemed unacceptable taking place in the theatre or war.

Not to condone their actions but perhaps had we witnessed the same things they have we would be standing along side doing the same thing, war is hell on earth!

How nice of NBC to share this "news" item, just another example of the "let's do anything to make a buck" mentality-------we can expect nothing less.

So what incentive does the Taliban have to 'negotiate' with America, since Obama has already told them that we will give up and go home soon?

Actions like this are tantamount to "aiding and abetting the enemy" and should be treated as such.

All those responsible should be court martialed. The person who videotaped the incident and the person who published the videotape should be dishonorably discharged for discrediting the United States military.

I only have 1 question. Who the Hell Keeps Leaking this Kind of Videos? Do they think this crap is Funny, Not Me. It's Determental to What our Young Men Have been through over there,as well as Starting Trouble with Everyone that sees this stuff. Whomever it was that thought this was Cool to Post is STUPID, As is the Person that Made this a REPORT. MSNBC, I know you don't Like to Hide the Truth, But this has NOTHING to do with the Truth and Everything to do with Hypocrisy Of OUR MILITARY. You see, We Punish Our Troops for something this Silly, while they Show Videos of Be-headings and Cold Blooded Murder and LAUGH about it. You,MSNBC, are acting like a Trouble Making Cry Baby and want to Post as Much Negativity as Possible, to fuel the Fire of Hatred against the US. Your OWN COUNTRY, Idiots.

"Such action will leave a very, very bad impact on peace efforts," said Arsala Rahmani, the top negotiator from Karzai's High Peace Council.

"Looking at such action, the Taliban can easily recruit young people and tell them that their country has been attacked by Christians and Jews and they must defend it," he said in the first comments from a high-ranking Afghan.

Somebody's lying....if the Taliban don't care one way or the other, then Karzai and his gang, and the ISAF crew are lying. "..Such action" has nothing to do with it. The fact that there are Christians and Jews in America is enough to start these fascists attacking us.

The marines should have dragged the bodies through the streets then hung them from a lamp post - that seems to be OK with the PC types when it comes to our troops having such done to them.

This constant accommodation by us to the enemy makes me very suspicious of anything the administration is doing, other than ramping up the drone strikes. That seems to be working well.

War is a dirty business and things happen. To those who are complaining so much about what is going on over there because they have all the answers, I suggest you get your butts over to AF/PAK and try to make the fascists stop attacking the west. Make sure you have a will first.

I'm not saying anything one way or another, but people need to understand that now days the things that you think are privet are no longer privet, especially when there are cameras or recording devises around. It's about portraying an "IMAGE" an image that WE are better than these actions, that we are upstanding human beings, that we a not the "monsters" that some counters think us to be. No matter what we feel in up hearts or think is Justus we have to think of our actions as a nation would see it from civilians who have never fought for the rights of this country and, the media (especially when you are recording these events on media devices!) who you and I know love to take anything and see how fast they can spin it. if we copy the actions of the people we fight how can be any better..as my mother always said "if someone jumped off the Brooklyn bridge would you jump to??

Just goes to show how ass-backwards people in this country are. You all get so "outraged" at our own troops when they piss on some Taliban scumbag but not a peep from any of you hypocrites when these same scumbags are blowing up our troops with roadside bombs.

Amen, Roy! You can tell Barack never served!

They didn't violate the Articles of War, nor anything in the Geneva Convention. I have personally seen worse things done to the living and the dead by yes these Islamic animals. I love how so many people that have never done nothing for this country they call a home speak ill of men that are willing to put their lives on the line for the freedom we enjoy. Who cares if they piss on someone that is dead they didn't do any permanent damage to the body, they didn't put a pork chop in the mouth of the dead. Get over it!

Article I: I am an American, fighting in the armed
forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their
defense.

Article II: I will never surrender of my own freewill. If in command I will never
surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

Article III: If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make
every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special
favors from the enemy.

Article IV: If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will
give no information nor take part in any action which might be harmful to my
comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful
orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

Article V: When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service, number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further
questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

Article VI: I will never forget that I am an American, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

At some point, these policies cannot be tolerated, ever, regardless of what happens in war

Hey...they would mean the "other side" would not be tolerated of cutting off fingers and hands, beheading, stoning, torturing dogs!

The Life Of Wylie: Canine Cruelty by our Afghan Allies

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2011/08/17/the-life-of-wylie-canine-cruelty-by-our-%E2%80%9Cafghan-allies%E2%80%9D/

"""Two weeks later Jensz received another call. Local dog fighters had cut off Wylie’s ears and had scalped him in the process, before using the same homemade knife to cut his muzzle wide open from his nose to under his eye. He was patched up again by Jensz and a team of Australian Defence Force doctors only to return from his perilous forays outside the base with new injuries — a stab wound to the chest and a savagely docked tail."""""

Just.a.girl- Your writing is terrible. Please stay in school.

urinating on their faces is a good way to make sure they ARE dead

Hey, somebody needs to check on radical1 and see if he's only sleeping or really..., oh never mind.

It's called demoralizing the enemy

It's pretty hard to demoralize a dead person. What they really did was provide a cause celbre for the enemy and make America look bad in the eyes of the local populace.

Even Mitt Romney doesn't campaign by saying out loud "vote for me because I like to pee on the heads of middle class Americans." He makes his contempt known in more a socially acceptable manner and only to those who actually agree with him.

Next best thing to pigs blood. There should be a medal for that!

Uncle Ben - "It's called demoralizing the enemy. In VietNam, cutting off a body part so they couldn't get to their "heaven," was practiced. Semper Fi..."

A lot of people don't understand this, I do. Right on brother.

Just a reminder, all of us beat the war drums when 9/11 happened. Republicans, Democrats, the homeless, the wealthy,even the illegal the immigrants wanted us to kick their ass.

Same in with Iraq in '92 when the images came streaming through our TV sets. I remember watching it in a Big Boy restaurant, we brought out a TV so all the customers could watch it too. Everybody was cheering and united with one exception; a girl whom I knew well from Iraq. She was in tears - It is one of my most memorable moments in my life. Here is to you my dear, sweet Bella ((( )))

Everyone wanted a Taliban smackdown !!!!!!!

The 1949 Geneva Conventions explicitly provide that prevailing forces must "search for the [enemy's] dead and prevent their being despoiled." The conventions further require that enemy "dead are honorably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged, that their graves are respected, grouped if possible according to the nationality of the deceased, properly maintained and marked so that they may always be found." Violators have been convicted and imprisoned.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2002/03/habeas_corpses.html

Extremely unprofessional if it is found to be real.

Yep- Sabot bro, it WAS. As I said in my earlier post, it WASN'T good, and perhaps the troops SHOULD be reprimanded; but what happens to a bunch of primitive Taliban sk.anks after they get waxed isn't something I'm going to lose sleep over, though. We should be getting the hell out of there and let them go back to fighting and killing each other. Thanks. Over and out.

I hear a lot of people in these posts say that this gives other countries more of a reason to hate Americans. I believe that is a lot of media lip service. If this was the case and everyone hated us, America would not have the immigration issues we currently have. For a country that everyone supposedly hates, they sure as hell want to live here!

That being said, while I think that this was a poor decision by these Marines, I can't necessarily say that it makes me angry or disappointed. In truth, this is nothing compared to what the Taliban does to the bodies of our fallen soldiers. I know, as Americans and Marines, we are taught that we are the "bigger" country and adhere to the rules of war, but at some point, the enemy needs a taste of their own medicine in order to understand their actions. Again, this is extremely mild by comparison to what they do to our fallen comrades and captured soldiers. I hope their punishment (preferably none) is as mild as their actions. Any backlash should be absorbed by our Government for placing these young men and women in a ridiculous skirmish in the first place.

I would gladly piss on anyone that intended to harm me, my family or my fellow man!

In VietNam, cutting off a body part so they couldn't get to their "heaven," was practiced.

So was fragging. What's your point? You can't seriously tell us that fragging is okay because it was practiced in Vitenam.

jerri-1 said:

our troops have no choice but to do what the government tells them to do and they have to be over there because our president tells them they have to

"Excuse me, dear. It's a volunteer army. They are there for one reason and one reason only: they have the same big-shot egomania as George W. Bush. They are not there to fight for our freedom. They are not there to protect the United States. They are not there to catch bin Laden.

They are there to convince themselves and others that they're tough."

Jerri -1 You are a total piece of crap who has absolutely no idea what you are talking about.How many military personnel have you actually gotten to know, caught in your little liberal world few if any I would imagine. It is easy for people like you to make comments about things you have no concept about, I am always amazed at how judgemental the so called open minded left can be. Certainly what they did was stupid but until you live with the threat of death from a sniper or an IED for twelve months don't think to judge what these men have done.

What pius idiot posts this stuff on the web? Shame on them.

Marines shouldn't act like this ...period...Lucky for them they're not under my brother's command...He'd stick his foot up there asses, kick a wall and then go for a jog.

Your brother sounds like a liberal dick!

All of a sudden islam isnt insulted by something? It only took what, 8 years of war for the psychopaths to get some perspective?

Bottom line is they are humans who gave their life for something they believe in. Yes, they burn the bodies of our dead, but are we fighting to be like them?

We should be role models to show that we are raised with morals and respect. Who are they going to trust, the evil they don’t know and cannot relate to or the one they know and who understands them?

It takes a left leaning news outlet to make this a story. It makes you wonder who really supports our soldiers.

I remember when my best friend joined the Marines. He wore that uniform with so much respect and dignity. He was the proudest Marine you ever would see. The Marine Corp WAS his life, and honored that life by serving this country. At no time would he have EVER shown such disrespect to the uniform or his country. If you want to piss on the dead...take of your uniform and go to it, but please do not disrespect the rest of us.

Some of you are so eye for an eye, and I understand that, but we took the matter by the balls, went there and kicked A** for what happened to us. We stood up and showed them that the USA will not be treated with such disrespect. Now, these pictures surface showing these men acting like idiots. It isn't just them that looks like idiots, they represent YOU and ME and EVERY other American. I personally do not want someone representing me in this fashion. I believe that the way we HANDLED the situation was correct, and by these men showing their A**es like this undoes a lot of what ALL those other respectful military men and women were there fighting for. Shame on them for representing MY country in this fashion.

And...SHAME on the person responsible for posting such crap on You Tube. You are no better than those 4 men standing there showing their Di**s to the world. You are just as guilty for disrespecting this country.

This is not America, and we should not be happy that 4 or 5 young idiots have made us look like this. My brother served 3 tours over there and I commend his service along with all the others, and I personally am disgusted that THIS is the way someone chooses to thank our military.

From most of the comments I have read so far, I am not surprised at the actions of the Marines since the all volunteer force comes from the current population of our country who are leaving their comments related to this sickening article. Needless to say, my concern for the future of our country increases each day.

First of all, the 9/11 Hijackers were almost all Saudi Arabian, not Afghani. So attacking Afghanistan was not revenge in any real way.

Why would Afghanistan let these actions jump off from their nation? Well, I've read some ignorant posts about Osama Bin Laden "Starting it" on 9/11. I beg to differ. The USA created people like Bin Laden. We fought a proxy war in Afghanistan, helped the rebels destroy the infrastructure and oust the Russians, and then we hung them out to dry.

Not to mention that the USA invaded their country. As an America, I think I'd have little problem beheading members of an invading army to show them that they don't belong in my country.

Anyone excusing these kinds of actions is garbage.

It's a War and soldiers do things they would normally not do.

Bring our troops home were they belong 8) we have our own War on the southern border.

Ron Paul 2012

2 wrongs does not equal 1 right

This was not wrong. To quote one of the first defenses we ever learned on a schoolyard playground:

"They Started It!!"

Even General Schwartzkopf said: "If the enemy wants war, we'll give'em all the war they can stand!"

WE sent the Marines over there to do the job they are best at - - BREAKING THINGS AND KILLING THE ENEMY , YOU that sit here safe and happy have no right to say anything about what goes on in WAR , unless you are there !!! The Marines are doing their job , SHUT UP OR GO OVER THERE AND HELP . The victors have been urinating on the dead enemies FOR CENTURIES , GET OVER IT !!!!

First, let me say that, it's one thing to take a video of the things that happen w/the troops...but to post it...someone just wanted to cause another uproar...to piss someone else off. That was just selfish.

Now...these troops do a lot of @!$%# and see a lot of @!$%# that a lot of us don't. I can understand why they would do this to a known terrorist...sorry, but terrorists should not get any respect...I mean they're freaking TERRORISTS.

However, if these dead bodies were just soldiers, then this was wrong. I, for one, wouldn't know how to tell the difference, if there is a difference over there.

Also, if someone who just killed a child, or someone who did something so terrible, and they lay dead before someone, I would have no problem with them being urinated on.

What I'm trying to say is, there are some who deserve such behavior, no matter how crude it is. You kill people for no reason other than following some rediculous distortion of your religion, including your own, you deserve whatever disrespect you get.

However, our troops are the best, and to film this, then show it on the net, that's just a bit too much. Some wouldn't agree...and to do it now when talks are trying to get started...not cool.

While I am sure there are a lot of things these people do that some wouldn't agree with, they need to stop dirtibuting it over the internet. It just puts a bad light on such a great military.

usmcvt

Maybe you could send those 'rules' you quoted to john mccain.

Did they check to make sure the dead had all of their ears? I hear that since the economy crashed, the crotch can pick and choose from the 'best' like that Greene guy and his buddies who raped that little girl and these boots who were probably straight out of sniper school there at Lejeune. They don't have to settle for high school kick out retards such as myself anymore like they did back then. They can, as I said, choose from our 'best'. Truth be told, this is simply an act of cowardice. They were afraid of these guys and this is an expression of that fear. These guys will get out and make fine cops somewhere.

And for those who have not looked at what willy-peter (white phosphorus) or a Hellfire missile does, this must be shocking, simply shocking. Nobody's going to go back to WWII and investigate what we did to Japanese prisoners on the various islands nor remember Abu Graib nor any of the long list of American atrocities back through history. They'll look at some deliberately emotionally disturbed (trained) kids pissing on the corpses of rival gang members in celebration that they, themselves, can still piss and 'people' will make money off of it one way or another and these guys'll get busted and do brig time. And who recorded this and released it to the world? One of their 'buddies'? And to those who made the comparison between our kids burned and dragged through the streets, wait'll you see what mobs here do when our elite, for whom this gang fight is being waged, finally crash our country. And you haven't been paying attention to what israeli border guards like to do either. Look up the Freedom Flotilla.

Marines are still kids, training or not. And none of the training is in 'coddling'. It is in hatred, disregard for life, and the means to take life without the pesky interference of conscience or compassion, until, for some, later. As I said, this was an act of cowardice. But, America itself is currently an act of cowardice as we let our masters put our children in places like this for reasons of fraud and theft. It is our elite whose bodies we should be pissing on, not the dead children of those from whom we are trying to steal.

Maj Gen Smedley D. Butler, USMC, the MOST decorated U.S. soldier in history, THE Marine's Marine, wrote a book, "My Thirty Years as a Thug for Capitalism: War is a Racket". For his efforts he died an early death and has been steadily 'unremembered' since then. Being a Marine is NOT about robotically obeying orders, it's about protecting the People of the United States from all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC. Our enemy is not in Afghanistan. Our enemy is in New York City and all the other places that our elite builds its filthy networks of greed and murder. And it these Snakes in Suits that I would like to see burned and dragged through the streets so that I, myself, might piss on them. And, having finally done so, join my General wherever he may be.

I wonder the ratio of our troops now, as being repubs and dems? Also what their ranks are too? Just a thought I got here from reading the comments above me. Now as far as the guys taking a tinkle on them, hmmm, not sure exactly what to think about that, when all is fair in Love and War. I learned that the hard way, from the ex. Maybe its a good thing I'm not involve with Guantaunimo. I think I would interview the prisoners with a slab of bacon before I waterboard them. Just go in there and take and cut a few little piece of the bacon and I'd eat it right in front of them, right before I bytch slap them with it and put a little in their mouth too. I'll get it in there, lol. Then to wash it all down for them, thats where the waterboarding comes in. Too harsh? Maybe. I only have my ex to blame for making me feel like this. I think she must of been a repube. She was lazy as all heck and I was busting my chops doing everything and I still wasn't any good. So as far as these guy taking a little tinkle on them, what you gonna do, they shouldn't of filmed it. They should just be lucky a MF'er like me wasn't there.

I'm a vet myself and have to go neutral on this one. And since I never saw combat I don't think there is enough information for me to judge.

On the surface this looks blatant and dishonorable ....

BUT If I were in that a situation were I fought hard for years at a time and had one or more of my buddy's killed or wounded by these jacka$$es .....

I think I would set them on fire and let their char'd a$$es rot on the side of the road.

jerri-1 geez I guess we know where you stand...all troops are filthy...

When you gotta go, you gotta go.

Its a goddamn shame.... that I wasnt there to piss on the Taliban

What is interesting to me, is that we are discussing a video/still from our troops abroad, as disgusting and just plain stupid, and good for Taliban recruiting.

What is very scary to me, is the fact that you can find thousands of "people" here in America doing this and even worse things on the internet for amusement. Given the percentage of views from the military similar to this verses the "educated" Americans doing same, I think that our military has shown great restraint, given the circumstances.

Please bring MY / OUR troops home, and figure out a foreign policy plan and stick with it.

Yes, by all means, let's punish these guys for doing what just about everyone in the United States, save our cowardly leaders, would do given the chance. It wasn't bad enough that the Taliban were responsible for the killing of thousands of Americans, and many from other countries as well, on September 11, 2001, now we have to contend with the a-holes in Washington you want to treat the bodies of these same Taliban with kid gloves. Do we really care what the Afghan leaders think? Seriously? I don't. I say "hurray to the Marines who pissed on these criminals and may they (the marines) have plenty to drink from this day to the day until they leave that God forsaken part of the world.

Sgt: don't you find it pitiful that you have to actually explain to the half-wit low lifes excusing this disgusting behavior that Americans are not animals and do not approving of behaving like animals?? Thank you for your service and your increasingly uncommon common sense.

And this is touted by this MSM group on the website intro as "a compelling world news story"? Is urinating on the bods of people who would kill you - war being what it is - in bad taste? Yes. Then rap their knuckles for bad taste. But seeing as these dead combatants would have killed the marines, getting 'pissy' is not a stretch.

I'm sure the dead Taliban are in paradise with their 40 virgins and could care less. The Marines mistake is not that they did it, it's that they put it on film.

All my cousins and my one and only brother spent 4 years there and the stories theyve told me are incredibly horrible. One such example is a story my brother told me when he was in a camp that got mortered and his best friend with a new born baby was blown into just enough peices to have my bro hold him for the last remaining seconds of his life. My brother was never the same and took a special joy in killing after that...like all the taliban was responsible for what happened to his friend. Irregardless of right or wrong I can understand that when you go to war and see your best friends get killed right before your eyes it can change you and make you some one your really not. so before you go and judge why dont you go over there and pick up a gun and defend our country and then see how easy it is. I know I am going to catch to flack for this comment, but I know if I was over there I might have alittle more annomosity toward the enemy than I do here in cushy america. If you want to reprot anyone reprot the @!$%#n upper echelons of the goverment who started this war over oil to begin with and sent our people to die for it. THEY ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS AGAINST HUMANITY!

r u f@#king kidding me??? well when you have so many draft dodging government leaders its inevitable that they will impose their unearned morality on those of us that served. this is bull s#@t unless you served with these patriotic marines shut the f$#k up. the only rule in war is win or die period nough said

It seems these guys confused "Semper fidelis" with "Semper meiere"

Disgusting and incredibly stupid and worthy of decades in jail for they will directly cause the deaths of NATO soldiers.

standtrich

If you dislike our country that much, get out, no one will miss you.

its ok to kill them --but dont you dare to piss on them---

FormerMarineSgt - Oh.

To Former Marine Sgt.

Well said Marine. The only thing to add is thank you for serving your country.

Should have crapped on them.

Common stupid politicians maybe you should go there and serve your country.

Jesus Christ. WTF is wrong here?! These effing taliban, iraqies and any other muslim people we're at war with can do whatever the EFF thay want. yet our guys have to handle everything and everyone with kid gloves. Is it Eff'ed up they pissed on the bodies....sure it is. Were they same dead people trying to kill these guys...sure they were. I bet not one goddamn word would have been said if the taliban fighters killed and then hung, burned and pissed on these guys had the tables been turned. Didn't some arab fighters hang a pilot from a bridge, burn his body then drag it through the street some time back? Who the F@#$ said anything about that.

I feel sorry for these boys fighting for our government. Everytime they do something wrong, the first thing the state department wants to do is prosecute them publically. It's a F@#$ing WAR for christ sake. Let them fight their way they're the ones in harms way. Not the politically correct way. If there is such a thing. I won't let my kid join the military for fear he might go to prison for killing the enemy. The state departtment should have just said the photo is a hoax and dropped it. But f#$% no. Let's ruin the life of some kids fighting the US governments battles because it insensed the piece of @!$%# enemy. They should have took a @!$%# on the dead bodies.

The damn government is probably the ones that released the video just to cause @!$%# for these kids.

Reading the comments here today, makes me wonder what the ratio of dems to rebubs is in our military now, along with their rank? Then as far as these guys taking a tinkle on them, hmmm, I'm not sure what to think about that, when all is fair in Love and War. The ex made me learn that the hard way. I guess they are lucky I'm not interviewing the prisoners in Guantanimo. For the faint of heart, stop reading this right here, because if I was there I'd walk in with a slab of bacon and cut a few pieces off and let them watch me eat it, before I bytch slap them with it. Then I cut a little off for them to eat too. I'd get them to eat it, lol. Then wash it down for them with a little waterboarding. I only have my ex to thank for feeling like this now, she had to be a lazy repube and busting my chops trying to make things work didn't mean anything to her. So maybe its a good thing a mf'er like me isn't down there right now, if its being diplomatic in war that some people seem to be looking for.

too many stupid people don't seem to realize that this will be all over the al queada recruiting web sites. no doubt it will convince some poor , stupid schmucks to join al queada and try to kill more Americans

Marines are trained to kill in War.

This is not an unusual happening. The Media seems to pick at all the negative parts of the US Military.

They were the Taliban; enemies, who may have killed fellow soldier just before. We do not have the full story of what happened to make an assessment. Anyway, if the Taliban got hold of a US Military person, they would execute, behead, or blow them up. Taliban are not human.

Surely, in other Wars, this "Wet" on all the time. Destroying the enemy in a similar fashion.

There is no way to have a Politically Correct War---apologizing to the victims, or holding them up in great esteem-----crazy.

ok so its perfectly fine for the Taliban to take our soldiers, wounded, dead, torture them, drag them by their ankles, behind moving vehicles, behead them and leave them in ditches for the whole world to see, but its NOT OK for us to turn around and do this? Where do I sign up? I have some serious issues with this. I feel that turnabout is fair play. Next time though, I'm all for bombing the @!$%# out of the territory instead of wasting time and OUR HEROES. OUR SERVICE PEOPLE ARE OUR HEROES AND WILL ALWAYS BE OUR HEROES. IF YOU WENT THROUGH WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH YOU WOULD DO MUCH MORE TO SOME PIECE OF CRAP TALIBAN SCUM.

hey U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta give it a rest. I would have been pissed if they were alive. But dead is the only good taliban.. Who cares?

Just sign me as former Viet Nam Vet, 1st Cav 70'

For Maureen-2162031 and the others that think this is acceptable behavior; it is not. Once you have defeated your enemy there is no need or reason to humiliate or desecrate the remains. We as Americans and civilized people are required to uphold a higher standard.

Just a couple of days ago, it was released that a soldiar killed his roomate in a game. He is free to roam and charges haven't been followed through yet. Now we have marines urinating on the Taliban, and we want to punish them, really? Who cares. They have seen there fellow soldiars die by the hands of these same people. If this helps them release anger and frustration, so be it. They could have done worse. The rest of the world acts in much more demeaning manners, but when soldiars do something stupid, all eyes are on them. The military should focus on taking care of all the soldiars who have come home with PTSD and less on what was done months ago during war.

Doesn't our military want to at least look like their members have any sense of integrity or class? NO one is unappreciative of them doing their jobs or gong above and beyond. If that were my son or husband, I'd be embarrassed.

Hey "the one and only"

Go pound that higher standard where the sun don't shine. Clearly you have never been in fire fight with a bunch of maniacs like the taliban. It easy to pass judgement from the cheap seats isn't it.

It wasn't bad enough that the Taliban were responsible for the killing of thousands of Americans, and many from other countries as well, on September 11, 2001,

Actually, they weren't. It was al-Qaeda. Do you know the difference?

And even aside from that, you can be assured that when this picture is shown, it's not going to be explained it was a Taliban.

You can be pretty sure the headlines will be:- "These classy American soldiers were pissing on the body of a dead Afghani they had just killed."

This is lovely for those people who want a clash of civilizations and a war between East and West. For the rest of us, who just want the terrorists taken care of and want to leave the rest of them alone, this is disgusting.

Did any of you critisizing these troops stop to think, that maybe they couldn't hold it anymore and they just had to go? Being in the desert and not sleeping, your brain can start playing tricks on your mind and maybe those talibans started looking like urinals to them? Like some people have mentioned, its a good thing they didn't need to go no. 2. Oh yeah one more thing, whats the big deal with them people over there and pork? I'm almost thinking that this country should fly over there and drop pork fat on all the bigger cities there. Yep, have the pork fat cubed up in about 1 inch cubes and just drop on their heads flying over them. That stuff would be on the roofs and all over the place and they'd be smelling pork fat everywhere. I'm surprised Dubya didn't think of that. I bet Cheney did, but maybe it didn't go over too well with everyone.

maybe it's just a generational thing, but i don't feel any national pride seeing this as i feel when i see the ww2 statue of mnt. surabachi...this might say something about the current state of our young people and our values...hopefully this isn't made into a statue

For Maureen-2162031 and the others that think this is acceptable behavior; it is not. Once you have defeated your enemy there is no need or reason to humiliate or desecrate the remains. We as Americans and civilized people are required to uphold a higher standard.

Most Americans are civilized. Unfortunately, not all, as you can see from some of the responses on this board.

The One and Only:

Should the Soldiers hold up the Dead Taliban bodies in High Esteem? Captured?---

Obviously, you have no sense of a Fierce War, Terrorists who do not go by the book.

Join the Service. It might do you some good; visit a returning US Soldier, coming back from Afghanistan, ask questions. There is no mercy for our Military trying to help the Afghan people try to form some kind of Democracy.

The Taliban have done worse than pee on a dead body---Get real.

Think about it for a minute, only a short time before this video was shot....the "urinals" here were trying to KILL these Marines...these "Sons, these Brothers, these Fathers, these Husbands....THESE AMERICANS. War sucks period and it's even worse when you lose. So unil you're willing to go over and replace these young Heros fighting and dying for your sorry ungrateful ass, keep your pie hole shut so you don't sound so stupid. A very wise man (King Solomon) once said: "A fool isn't preceived as a fool, until he/she opens their mouth." So if you keep your pie hole shut....you'll be able to fool some of us anyways. M. Carlucci (US Army 3/2 ACR...S-2, 1973-78)

higgins23, it seems to me that your the stupid one here. Do you think that these guys taking this tinkle on them dead people will get them idiots standing in line wait to sign up for the taliban? You have to be the village idiot and in full bloom too. They volunteer for this crap anyhow. They can't wait to be called on to tie up some bombs to themself and go blow something up. Thats the mentality over there, you dummy. They have nothing more to live for over there, theres no future for the young there, so they can't wait to be called on and become heros in the eyes of their countrymen. Idiots all of them and I believe your falling into that category yourself. Then to come in here and call people stupid? Come on, please, you surpassed all stupidity I have read til your post. You topped them all off, your no. 1.

loyd-335513

standtrich

If you dislike our country that much, get out, no one will miss you.

Floyd the barber--I served. Did you? What's wrong with this country is our fault. We built this country by killing off the indigenous people and brought slaves from Africa and exploited the Chinese workers to build our railroads. Women had no say in voting or property ownership for 65 years after slavery was outlawed.

Are you blind or just have a reality disorder? I'd rather get rid of the "god's country" people that believe that whatever we do is just fine. And--I'm not going anywhere.

They fight us because we meddle in their affairs. There are reasons the Muslims turn their hatred against Americans instead of Brazilians.

The Taliban have done worse than pee on a dead body---Get real.

very true, but we are the ones that are supposedly above acting like animals, this shows otherwise.

Any documentation/proof for this tripe about the Japanese were already negotiating surrender? Id like to see the source for this fantasy.

We dropped 2 atomic bombs while the Japanese were negotiating surrender.

I've seen this kind of behavior before in another war. My older brothers saw it in still an earlier war. An uncle talked of seeing it in yet an earlier war. Seems war is a rather seamy business that generally can cause participants to cast aside normally held genteel behavioral traits to the favor of "hells most outrageous shenanigans". If we want to stop this, then we must stop fighting wars using people. While I do not condone where these men took a leak, I cannot, in good conscience, condemn them in any way, shape, form, or fashion. I hope no one else will.

joe, you obviously have been drinking too much kool-aid

For the one and only-1533412 Thank you. This is all that needs to be said and understood:

...the others that think this is acceptable behavior; it is not. Once you have defeated your enemy there is no need or reason to humiliate or desecrate the remains. We as Americans and civilized people are required to uphold a higher standard.

Thank you FormerMarineSgt for being one of the only people on here with any sense. Your post is spot on.

Any documentation/proof for this tripe about the Japanese were already negotiating surrender? Id like to see the source for this fantasy.

there is plenty, the problem was that the Japanese were seeking a conditional surrender that would leave the emperor in his unlimited position of power, as well as their desire to keep the imperial government in power. after their unconditional surrender, we allowed them to keep their emperor, but with drastically reduced power

Home of the free indeed, How about the land out the self-righteous. This act is disgusting and should be punished what ever happened to being better then your enemy. This just shows that they are taught to kill but not taught to be a descent human. I am sorry to those who have lost loved ones but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Besides blame us as Americans always pushing our opinion and beliefs on everyone when they have been around longer than us. What do you think happens when you push to far and to hard?

FormerMarineSargent truly understands that this was a gross violation of any standard of honor or conduct, unlike the idiot joe and all the other morons that seem to think our @!$%# doesn't stink

FormerMarineSgt,

First: Thank you for your service to my country.

Second: Thank you for your eloquent response that reaffirms my belief that our soldiers are held to a higher standard...even when it comes to mortal combat ethics.

It's my opinion that the soldiers in this video should be court-martialed. I understand (but have never experienced in combat) the emotions involved here. Adrenaline doesn't stop with the danger...I understand that, too.

I also understand that not everything that goes on in the battlefield plays well on TVs in suburban America's living rooms. I expect that our well-trained and respected troops will do what's necessary to get the job done...not play games with politics.

But just as a policemen in a shoot-out need to distinguish themselves from the criminals they killed, so do our troops need to distingusih themselves from what we see in less disciplined, less structured military forces. This is one reason why we don't drag the bodies of our enemies through the streets or hang them from lamp-posts.

Thank you for honoring your code and being a shining counter-example to this outrage.

Although I would rather something like this not be seen by the world, stuff like this does happen in the real war people. What you are getting now is the political end of it and all the crap that goes with it. So the enemy posts this on their website, they post all sorts of other crap too, like chopped up American soldiers or American soldiers they blew up. Yes, this is wrong and may hurt your feelings to look at, but be honest in some quiet place where no one can judge you, you would laugh and say take that you terrorist. As a former combat vet I know both sides of the coin. Yes, I would discipline my troops for such an action because it was dumb, but the darkside of me that has seen war and death would also say "Oh well, just another day move on." We have been there since 2001 and you want to judge every slip up thinking it is the end of the world, well then I say arm up and go fight it yourself. Those troops are going to get slammed for what they did, don't worry and loose any sleep over it and that dead terrorist is still dead.

higgins23

What they should have not done is video or take pics of this, but the only moron here is you. Our @!$%# doesn't stink!!!! Mine does!!! but not this country. If you truly believe that maybe you should visit there and while your there you can burn our flag with all the rest of the fine outstanding citizens. Oh wait you can't because they don't give a $hit about you or our silly PC ways. They will cut your head off and youtube it.

FormerMarineSgt...stated as a proud Marine should state. As a Retried grunt combat disabled Vietnam Veteran I find the actions by these Marines deplorable...Article 15's, dishonorable discharge and maybe prision....An article 15 and dishonorable discharge is enough to ruin them for the rest of their lives over this STUPID decision to urinate on dead bodies....Another negative slap in the face of every American soldier / Marine. Just plan stupid

Sandtrich, makes sense. I've never heard it quite like that. What gets me is we condition these young men to kill or be killed, basically groom them in to killing machines, animals if you will, and then reprimand them for acting like barbarians. It's always been old men arguing, and young men dying. I'll bet none of there sons are there.We should look hard at this uncalled for act. But not a harsh penalty such as unhonorable discharge. Discipline yes. Harsh no. We are always the role model for the world. But we've never beheaded someone and paraded it through town. I know that 2 wrongs don't make a right. I say, don't stick our nose in anymore. We have enough domestic problems to deal with.

You want to ruin these soldiers lives for this? Prison? You and people like are whats wrong with this country. Your such a piece!

SpryLynnx- "The Taliban were sanctioned by the US and our politicos had no beef with them until Bin Laden committed his 911 plot."

If it weren't for our involvement Afghanistan would be another Russian state. Just like w/o Russian involvement South Vietnam would be a free state. See the correlation here? We encouraged the Afghans to fight their own battles but we equipped them and taught them how to salvage and use Russian equipment to drive the Russian war machine out of their country. Of course we didn't think they would turn on us. It makes no sense to turn on the people that helped you in your time of need. But the all knowing Government should have known that this was going to happen right?

"They probably weren't even "Taliban Terrorists""

If they were shooting at us they became combatants. Combatants in that part of the world if they are not wearing a military uniform are what again?

Oh that's right they're Taliban.

I think you've glossed over these facts to point blame at our own government. Which is fine but at least use the facts when doing so.

"If you saw two black guys walking down the street with guns you would call them "terrorists' too because of the mindset and biases American's still have over non-white persons."

If they're shooting at me and the guys around me? You damned skippy they're terrorists. Innocents don't shoot at you. I'm not over there but if it were my life on the line you can bet I wouldn't take too much time to think about it. I'd give it some real consideration but as soon as they engage all thinking is out the window. I'm gonna take cover and drop em where they stand. Simple as that. If you'd ever been in that part of the world or known anybody who had been you wouldn't even question this in the light that you are.

Are they Taliban? I would have to say yes if they were killed while engaging troops. You would say no because they are dead. I would have to say that the troops probably agree with my side of this argument. If they weren't a threat they would still be alive and well to go on about their business. Since they're dead, that is all I need to know.

Defenders of this action,

Here's the real problem with what happened. We're not fighting a war. Sure, there are guns and killing and rockets and death and destruction and mayhem and all the other things that make war what it is. We're not fighting a war, we're nation building. It's like war, only you ruin everything and then spend a whole bunch of money fixing everything you broke. In order to do this, you need to win the all important "hearts and minds" of the people whose stuff you just ruined. You don't win the "hearts and minds" of people by urinating on corpses.

lbtc, whining a bit much today?

too bad I hold Americans and myself to a far higher moral standard than you do. you and all those defending this are a clear example of "the lowest common denominator"

Hatred is always counterproductive, particularly a level of hatred that would make you want to urinate on a dead body. Terrorist most certainly must be killed to protect the lives of innocent people but it should be done with a certain level of detachment. It should be looked at like a job that has to be done, nothing more and nothing less. In wartime hatred, as well as sympathy, makes you a less effective soldier. And lets not forget that some of the Afghanis we are killing are just impoverished uneducated kids who have been duped into fighting for the Taliban by the endless propaganda, or in some cases are even by forced to fight against their will. And even here in the States we sometimes encounter people who share the same mentality as these terrorists - people who bomb abortion clinics or murder their staff for example. These people occupy the exact same psychological strata as Muslim terrorist. Thus their underlying motivations are identical, only their justification for the killing differs (Religion, for both, is a justification and not the true underlying reason for their actions). And if it were my job to hunt down and capture or kill one of these domestic terrorist I would do so in a heartbeat in order to protect the public. But how can I hate the guy when I know that he is so deluded that he actually thinks he is a righteous man. He honestly thinks he’s the good guy, just as some of these Muslim terrorist do. In reality of course they are just human beings who have completely lost the capacity for rational thought.

Sorry Mr M. Boxer, I was cleaning my Silver Star, Bronze Star, and purple heart while you were typing about sending Marines to prison for peeing and not terrorists for killing. They peed on a dead body, yes that is bad, but not prison bad or career ending bad. Get off your high horse, count to 10 maybe. For the way you run your mouth I think maybe you should go sign up and fight so everything is done fairly? This way we here in America are assured no more enemy will get peed on anymore. While you are there make sure they do not cut off any American heads while they are tied up and can not fight back, or gut cut and leave alive to die anymore Americans too. As a former member of the 5th Special Forces, I think I would listen to you then. Those Marines should get disciplined not executed. A loss in rank, extra duty, public apology, and a article 15 in their file; that is about it. Until you are in combat close you mouth about things you do not know about.

Oh look at the time! Time to start leaving this hell hole, Taliban no longer in charge, Al Qaeda in Pakistan, bin Laden dead....time to go home...the sooner the better!

The pissing issue might have a more proportionate impact if the American news media and our own politicans didn't drive it with such gusto. Do you think they might consider taking any responsiblity for doing that? In actuality, reacting in 'aghast ' fashion serves to mold al Qaeda's (Taiban's) understanding that we are easily shaken. Torture is their day-to-day. No one kills a fly with a cannon more effectively than our government. Should the Marines get a knuckle rap on this - yes. You shouldn't piss on someone whose trying to kill you. But before you yell your arrogant 'hang 'em high', bear in mind how hypocritical it is that we quite casually march them off to the rigors of the battlefield year after year with orders to 'obliterate the enemy', but mind your manners about it.

Is it acceptable behavior? No. Who cares? they were already dead, if they were wounded, then I would have a problem with that. In fact they should be thanking the Marines for sending them to Mohammad and their "reward" of 70 virgins.....

Just take your "holier than thou" crap and shove it.

Al718, You are what is wrong with the American military and the so called Christian church if you fall into wither of those categories. Which I doubt. May be not even into human being!

So let me get this straight, these dead guys are our enemies who have beheaded people while they were still alive, burned bodies to a crisp and hung them for display, tortured and maimed people, and pissing on their dead bodies is a crime?

Yeah yeah, I know, the argument is that we are better than them and we shouldn't stoop to their level, I know that. But our soldiers are in a bad place, under life and death situations daily, have seen their buddies killed in combat almost daily. If they let off a little steam (no pun intended) here and there taking a leak on the bodies of people who are trying to kill them daily, so what?

If you don't like what they did, go buy an airline ticket, throw on some boots and volunteer to take their place over there.

Look, these men and women didn't ask to be there, their best day on the battlefield is probably worse than your worst day here at home during your whole life, cut them a break!

C'mon, its was a hot day. They looked thirsty. I mean if pee is good enough for survivorman to drink?

Those marines, along with all the posters who empathize with them, are urinating on the memory of every honorable serviceman who fought and died in the name of this country.

The same posters who are sying, "So what?" about this disgusting act will be screaming on the next thread about those who "Attacked us for no reason."

I suppose this is but another one of those "NON" reasons, eh?

It's representative of what we've been doing to them and other people around the globe for generations.

This is nothing new to them, but apparently, it's a revelation to the ignorant masses here.

"Rinse and repeat" follow-up posts to follow, I expect.....

Have a nice day.

They were Taliban = Zeros. Your point is?

Former Marine Sgt., thank you for your sane, level-headed and honorable comment. I am so proud and honored to have a person of your caliber and honor representing me and my country. I wish more young Marines had your honor and strength.

These "men" are a disgrace and need to be plucked from the Corps like the cancer they are. I do understand that it is possible that they may have experienced losses in their unit they felt were avenged by killing these militants, but their actions afterward, just like the actions of the Abu Ghraib losers, not only bring dishonor on the U.S. Military, but will almost certainly result in additional casualties, quite possibly on U.S. soil (we really don't need to turn another service member into a Major Hassan and we don't need any civilian Muslims deciding to become Jihadists ).

Any of you who think this is a good thing or even not a big deal are not members of today's Military or are not members in good standing in today's Military, should leave and never call yourselves a Marine. This goes against all Military, including Marine training and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. These guys have shamed the Marines, the whole Military and our nation. They will be identified and most likely court-martialed and thrown in the brig and possibly even dishonorably discharged.

The rest of you Wannabelievers, wake up!!! Get educated. Just because you are feeling emotional, vengeful, and vindictive, does not mean you are able to say this is a good thing. I'm thankful you are not in our Military!This has hurt the American cause! If you don't agree, you don't have the understanding to have an opinion! You obviously don't know squat about the Military and your behavior is likewise reprehensible and un-American!! Anyone who looked at this favorably even the slightest is an ignoramus. A Democracy needs intelligent, educated, rational people, none others!

Shut yer yap, I assume you have been in combat over there as you seem to be the very expert that can educate all of the ignorant masses here (in your high opinion of yourself) on Americas moral low road.. They did a dumb thing. Its not the end of civilization. And to say that we have been pissing on them and other people around the globe for generations....just brain dead. Read about the rape of Nanking or perhaps the Nazi death camps. Those were real war crimes. The 15 million Chineese killed by Japaneese troops in WW2 would love to hear how we pissed on them, well if they had lived through it .But if I recall my history we were on the other side of that one. But, of course, that didnt get a lot of press like this really miniscule act that is getting treated like its one of the most heinous acts ever seen in a war. I am not a fan of this action but I cant get really excited about seeing the soldiers treated like criminals over this act either. Just some "Piss Poor Judgement" on their part.

The soldiers that did this are obviously of low morals but what bothers me is the ones on here that defend them. Has this country come to the point that whether they're your enemy or not we have no respect for the dead ? Sure you hate your enemy and it's kill or be killed but after the enemy is dead the hate should stop. At least it did for me.

@Larry you are right. I stop to think what is more despicable - to commit these acts or to defend them later?

Support our troops doesn't have to come at the cost of decent human values.

Michael Anthony:

Another, "Think before you speak"---it works wonders.

"A fool isn't preceived as a fool, until he/she opens their mouth." Terrific!

Why can't the Politicians keep their traps shut with racial slurs, hurtful, negative darts shot at their own Colleagues, people and ethnic minorities.

Ok, well I guess its ok to detain them without a trial indefinately in inhumane conditions, waterboard and torture them, and kill them, but don't even think about urinating on the dead bodies of those that were shooting at you moments earlier and belong to a religious sect that does far worse things to its prisoners and captured bodies, as well as murdering thousands of innocent people. God forbid, I mean Allah forbid.

I would have urinated down their throats before I shot them, given the chance. Now we are bowing to them in politics as well. Soon we will have to ammend the constitution to include their religious laws so as not to offend any of them.

I am so sick of all of this, I could just shoot a muslim and piss on his remains.

The newest news on the Internet is: Afghan Taliban say Marine video won't hurt talks.

All the rational people can stand down. Thank you for your service.

All the condemners, you're comments were deplorable. You've been dismissed.

Somebody should have sh,it on their heads Go Marines.

Just wondering what would all those who defend this act by those marines would be saying if the roles were reversed. An enemy is fighting for what they believe in just as our brave men an women and neither should be degraded in death. Don't forget we are the invaders of their country. I know i'll probably get a lot of flak for what I've said but the truth is the truth and we shouldn't ignore it to justify the misconduct of our troops.

To any of you who think this is excusable behavior, it is not. These marines need to be held accountable under the UCMJ and removed from the U.S. Marine Corps. They have dishonored themselves and dishonored all past and present service members who have served with pride and professionalism.

An honorable warrior respects the fact that those he (or she) might have to eliminate have families plus the fact that this type of action might get their fellow service members present and future killed. Not all in those families of the fallen militants will agree with the violence being perpetrated in the name of Islam, but all will love their fallen family member and while they might be able to accept his "martyrdom", this type of after-action might tip the scales and turn them into Jihadists instead of grieving family members.

The newest news on the Internet is: Afghan Taliban say Marine video won't hurt talks.

well gee, that makes it all peachy keen then

idiot

Minotaur:

Leon Panetta, Sec. of Defense, is a Puppet of Obama. He's does what he is told to do.

Example: Panetta previously disagreed with Obama on cutting Military Defense. He said that---then later he said it was good idea to cut back on Defense. Panetta is a smart man---he just does what he is told. Did you see the pain on his face when he announced that one---facial expressions tell all.

Too bad, he cannot have an independent thought with respect from Pres. Obama---

Same Example with the pissing on the Soldiers--it is not his "voice" of opinion. It comes from the Top. I guess he wants his Prestigious Job like the rest of the Cabinet. Geithner, Holder are still there. Whatever happened to the Head of the CIA--Petraeus?---never see or hear from him---maybe locked in box, because he has other differing thoughts than this Admin once again..

How do you think Hillary feels about the assassination of the Iranian Scientist. Now she is demanding we never were involved. I don't believe her--one step out of line in this Admin, and you're gone, just like Daley---and the rest. Politics--a smooth running "Machine" in the WH---Glossing over the truth.

Chicago is calling---

There is no LOL when it comes to military "members" disgracing themselves for the whole world to see.

2BCT 1AD OIF 05-06 OIF 08-09

Hey, Karzai. It's no more "Insulting" nor "Insane" than muslims who set American bodies on fire, drag them through the streets and string them up. Where was your outrage when this was done in Falluja, Iraq? I don't recall you decrying those actions.

what about them showing all the cutting off the heades on TV, then saying in the name of their people! This is WAR! I fought in Viet Nam and this is is nothing to what was done on both sides! Now our grat smal minded goverment wantes to do something to our brave fighting service people, are you nuts! The people in our goverment should go over their and be in one of these battles once then they would know how it feels, not back here where it safe and run your mouth!

Do people on this site think this kind of behavior is new in war? If it was I wouldn't have 8 different nationalities in my background. My people unfortunately lived in the middle between the bullies.

Really, you people are going off about moral codes and such whenb talking about war? Whay BS. We send our military there to kill people, we killed Talban fighters, maybe some Al qaeda, a bunch of farmers, some school age kids. Get off your high horses, there is no moral high road in war. We train young service people to kill. We train them to believe the enemy is evil to justify the killing. Additionally these people are subjected to watching their colleagues die at the hands of that "enemy."

What do you expect is going to happen. Do any of you have any idea what went on in WWII, and Vietnam. Or what the Japanese did to the Chinese and Americans. Or what the Americans did to the Japanese or the Germans. The big difference is that everyone did not have a camera handy.

war is not a sterile activity like many would choose to believe. Think about how you would have to feel about a group in order to consiously go out each day and expect to kill them. And everyone is worried about a little pee.

howmanybulllets and rpg'sdid guys managed to avoid to have the privage to do that and still be alive noone knows what happened before that time the picture was taken the enemy could have just killed one of there own

I see that the "Our Country right or wrong" crowd is well represented
here, congratulations on your indoctrination, you can turn in your brain at the
exit, you don’t need it anymore, independent thought is not allowed

I also see that some Marines who have not entirely lost their souls have posted here; they speak of honor, thank you for your service.

Dear fellow countrymen,

It is a$$holes like Leon Panetta and the other criminals in
high places that fund the indoctrination and brain washing of these poor
military recruits. My own sons were Marines, one of them, who served in Iraq
and Afghanistan thinks that pissing on the dead is just fine. His pals think
that what happens to "ragheads" does not matter because they have
been trained to de-humanize their enemy. This my friends is what our military
industrial complex churns out, psychopathic monsters who kill on command, and
for what? Defense? Honor and glory? There is no honor in what they do; there is
no glory in killing others. Those that train our hired killers know that they
have to de-humanize the humans that they want our troops to kill, and they are
good at it. They sell it to them as "defending America, defending our homeland" and we allow it to happen.

Meanwhile their leaders turn on the troops, denounce them and distance themselves from
their actions, when they are the ones who made them into what they are, who
made the situation in to what it is and they did it for $$,make no mistake
about that.

Citizens, rise up,occupy,end the wars, end the selling of Americas soul, close the
monster factory, give there poor brainwashed kids a chance for a decent life.

We the People are responsible for this, step up and try to do something about it, the lease we can do is TRY!

You got it wrong.

Republicans are today's America Haters. Proof - they have worked so hard to keep us in the economic toilet for their own incredibly selfish purposes.

Also remember how you Pubs whined when, in Iraq, some (already dead) contractors were burned and hung upside down. What makes you think other people don't react in the same manner?

Your response is proof of your amazing self centered outlook and willful ignorance.

They failed to mention that the Taliban tried killing these Marines and lost. Job well done Marines. Semper Fi!

Hey RonH, talk about American-bashing - you can step to the front of the line. We, on the left, make up 50% of America. Shove your anti-American sentiments...

I am truly sorry for you Larry. You are what the Libs consider to be a "well programmed" lefty. Follow the money if you want some real facts and stop "puppeting" for the mainstream media. If you are better off today then you were 3 years ago you need a reality check!

Larry must have not been in Iraq because if he had been there back in 2004 he would have received the full story about those four American contractors who were shot at point blank range, beaten, beheaded, dismembered, and what body remains were left were burnt and placed on both ends to the main bridge heading into Fallujah, Iraq. The Iraqi civilians were armed and the contractors had not acted in a hostile manner, but stopped at a bogus Iraqi Police checkpoint manned by insurgents dressed like police officers. How is that the same with taking a leak on dead Taliban fighters? You should surf the internet once in a while and see if you can view the mass amount of hardliner video clips of mass shootings, beheadings, dismemberment while still alive, and what happens after they die. The Taliban have tons of videos out there showing their excellent work on village pacification approach. It is interesting how so many know so little about that region or the last 10 plus years of warfare. All you can come up with is three US Marines taking a leak on dead Taliban bodies. Big deal. Go watch some video clips from WW2 in the Pacific and see how "PC" combat was back then. Combat is brutal and horrorific and I can see how these guys got to a point like this. Would have been better if a Marine walked up and placed his service pistol at their temple and blew their brains out instead? We can't pee on dead bodies but drop a 2,000 pound JDAM all purpose bomb on a target is okay? That slogan speaks volumes here: "America is not at war, America is at the mall."

During the fight for Fallujah I came across an insurgent sniper who had half his head blown off from a US made rifle. He was placed in a chair with a small sign that said, "smoking kills" with a cigarette in his mouth. I laughed because this insurgent had killed and wounded a number of US military personnel so I could care less what happened to his body. He was the enemy and he was attempting to kill me, big deal if the PC police here can not get that through their heads. Get into a life or death situation and see how long your uber-play nice ideas last.

During Desert Storm my NCO took a leak on dead camels. He would stop the armored vehicle, run out and take a leak on the dead animal. It became almost a habit as soon as we came across a camel he would take a leak. I better go and inform him that the PC police are out in full force or some PETA members might get mad.

mac thinks we should all drop to the level of the taliban

Actually Mac thinks that the majority have no clue what it is like to be in that situation and therefore while you are shopping at Target or listening to your college professor rant and rave about the evil-American Imperialism, there is some kid out in harms way who each day has to wonder if this is going to be his last day on this earth. Of course if you never have been shot at or had the person you provided aid to is the same group that night that attempted to drop mortars on you or lay a landmine on your known path then you might look at the world through a different set of glasses. You do not have to drop to the level of the Taliban but taking a leak on dead bodies is the least of my concerns if I was there still. Continue to view the war from a distance and it is easy to make statements as the one you did. If you feel that bad about these poor Taliban fighters, I am sure some group out there has the website or contact information to the Taliban rep and tell them how outraged you are.

To Larry.

If Republicans are truely the "America Hater" then you should obviousley understand this. Out of the poole of future Marines, and active duty Marines i am in there are 48 honorable men and woman. Out of all of our social diversity and ethinic diversity there is 1 Democrat. The actions of these Marines was not ok, but until you have been in their shoes and seen what they have seen (and i have not) dont judge them, they have given more to this country than most ever will.

God Bless America and Semper Fidelis

@ USMC Poole:

Good luck in the Marine Corps and once you get through basic, infantry school (MCT), and your MOS school, you'll be assigned to your first duty station and met your first line NCO. Stick with him and learn as much as you can. Listen, look, and learn and you'll be okay. Semper Fi future devil-dog.

Right...kill em but dont piss on em!...Who cares what they do to them..they are the ones there not us! piss, crap, spit...I dont care.... because of them i am sitting in my warm safe home!

Some people need to get a life...What the hell do you think goes on in a war...!!!!!! Killing is OK????

but, pissing on them is not alright....!!!!!!!! WAR IS WAR people..... I have 2 dead brothers to prove it.!

William Tecumseh Sherman said it best; "War is hell." "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it." The other side does the same thing an a lot worse. I have a revelation for Mr. Panetta; This is war and the object is to win the war because 2nd place is not desirable. Leave the Marines alone and them do their jobs.

Hmmm... There is a basic bottom line to this. Yes, it was bad behavior. HOWEVER, surely, Defense Secretary Panetta and Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai realize that U.S. troops urinating on a corpse of the enemy is a lot less offensive than the Taliban beheading and emasculating the corpse of a U.S. soldier. I have heard that has happened but it is being kept quiet.

This kind of crap happens. I just wish they would find the guy with the camera and kick his ass. Pissing on an enemy corpse is one thing, filming it so it winds up on youtube is another thing. Needs his ass kicked for making the video.

We need to be protected from abuses or mismanagement by the wealthiest, but the true problem is in the inability of our government or society to reign in the criminals and such while the richest people do whatever they like even if it harms others or our entire society. We have to have accountability, good governance, and an educated and informed populace. We cannot have government serving only it...self and survive. It has been proven that it will maintain its distance from the people and classify everything that those idiots do as sensitive and covered by immunity, and the people will never know what is going on in the world until it is allowed to be broadcast by the major networks. Any deviation is susceptible to lawsuits and those that break with the "doctrine" can be shut up in institutions and stigmatized and silenced in other ways, or completely ignored. The government has already decided for us what we will hear, what we will discuss, and has a monopoly on all the information. It is that entity that needs to be examined and worked with day in and day out by a congress dedicated to the US Constitution and by people who are their because they want to serve the people of our nation in information/education, and equity under the law as with the bill of rights. One does not have a war and negate the entire concept of government in order to do battle with enemies of the state, because in doing so, it makes the people enemies of the state. Only the ultra uninformed that lack intellect want or need guidance in all matters of their lives, and protection from the realities of the world around them. I am beginning to think the government is trying to institutionalize us all so as to not interfere in its secret processes of war, negotiation, and so forth. This is truly an insanely screwed up situation we are all in.
dedicated to the children and elders killed by H1N1 which began in my sister's school in TX first in the US, brought in by a field trip, and then miraculously, someone spread it to NYC
also dedicated to the late great billy jank, did acid on his birthday when he was attny general, Fri 13th, and now he has fallen (piss on him)

Former Marine....U talk just like my brother....Well said! He has been in the Marines for 17 yrs and has a certain honor that most don't. I feel people can and will snap under pressure depending on the person. No excuses but some of these people are talking on here with no brains and making the situtation alot worse esp. to overseas on lookers. I relize not all are bad and to treat them all the same is wrong. Shame on all of us for that! As AMERICANS we should hold our heads high and relize this is not the way we should conduct our counrty let alone the Marine Corp. I feel dishonor. disg. is something that should allpy for breaking code but feel jail is to harsh. People are human and humans error! Thank You for serving our country!!!!!

I'm not unsympathetic to the horror our troops go through to keep us free. But for f***s sake, if you have to do something like this, DON'T VIDEO TAPE IT. All this does is help the enemy.

therefore, since they aided the enemy, THEY SHOULD BE SHOT (never any taliban around when you need them) .. (dedicated to miss mouth and her Corps values) miss mouth of the month .. lol

Not that I am at all defending what these Marines did, but why is it we only hear from CAIR when something like this happens to an Arab. When Muslims drag the beheaded body of an American soldier through the street they are completely silent. When they hang the bodies of our solders from a bridge and burn them, where are they. If CAIR and Karzai want to pretend to take the moral high ground, they need to do it all the time. They need to call out their own when they do disgusting, disgraceful things as well as make comments when it is done to them. They can't have it both ways. I wonder if they ever stop to think that maybe this is in retaliation for what their Muslim brothers do to the bodies of American soldiers. If they are not willing to condemn these acts regardless of who perpetrates them, then they should just shut the hell up and go away.

Looks like there wasn't much to blur

JS inSD: Well Said!

Just want to add, in the words of Ronnie Mislap: "All is Fair In Love and War"...

Semper Fi

Sandtrich, the fact you say you'll never leave this country means you know it's still the best country to live in. So stop being such a whiny ***** and stop playing the "white guilt" trip. Taking over land from backwards indigenous people is the way most countries were formed. The white people in the USA didn't invent that. Slavery had been around for as long as man has been around. It wasn't invented by white people in this country. In fact the US had the bloodiest war in it's history and a president was assassinated because of the white Democrats nnot wanting to give up their slaves.

And bombing Dresden was wrong why? You must be a Kurt Vonnegut fan. The German people had tried to take over the world twice already, with the citizens being whipped up into a frenzy and fully supporting it both times. Dresden was bombed in February, 1945. The war wasn't over yet and it was Churchill who insisted on bombing Dresden.

The Japanese were nowhere near surrendering when we nuked them. They wouldn't surrender unconditionally and didn't deserve anything less. They committed the worst atrocities known to man in WW2, against POW's, people in China, Koreans and everyone else they came across. The citizens were 100% behind their Emperor, who they believed was a descendant of God. The citizens, women, children and old men, were being instructed on how to fight when the mainland was invaded, an invasion that would have prolonged the war another year or longer of brutal, bloody fighting. Yeah, they were real close to surrendering, no they weren't.

Vietnam should have been a short war. LBJ turned it into what it became. The war should have been over within a year or so after the Tet offensive when the NVA were decimated. LBJ didn't want his legacy to be as a war monger so he tried turning it over to the South Vietnamese way too soon. We shouldn't have been there but we were trying to protect South Vietnam from a slaughter that happened anyway when we pulled out.

Clinton bombed Iraq in 1998 because he said Saddam was hiding WMD's. All that did was put an end to the UN weapons inspections for the next 4 years. No one really knew what Saddam had. Saddam gave the appearance of having WMD's so the Sunni's, Kurds, Iran or anyone else would be afraid to attack and overthrow him. It wasn't lies as much as wrong information.

People like you disgust me. The US has done way more good than bad. Putting an end to slavery with a bloody civil war and stopping the Nazi's and Japanese from taking over the world were very important and good things to do. Stop being such a ***** and agreeing the world should hate us.

Let us now switch channels to the other side's news.....

..."How can they be complaing that we do horrific things to them?"....

Remember when they napalmed our villages and urinated on our dead soldiers?

This is a self-centered, myopic country.

Have a nice day..

The bodies that were hung and burnt on the bridge, were not US Soldiers, they were mercenaries that worked for Blackwater and they were there for money and they thought they were "hot sh^t" and didn't follow the rules of engagement and things alot worse than pissing on dead bodies, a few were live (just barely) and soldiers were told to say out of of their way.

Soldiers/Marines are there because their country sent them, so let's not soil the honor of Soldiers and Marines and lumping them in with mercenaries.

Sh - t happens! I'd have to agree with JS in SD whole heartedly. It's okay for our enemies to go to extreme measures to publicly desecrate our soldiers and other civilian non combatants right? I'd suggest these PC snivlers take a nap and have a nice time out in the corner. These guys shouldn't have filmed it, thats just plain stupid. But let the Devil Dogs run wild on these fools. They're killing our soldiers with less thought to humane treatment. Burying IED's and all kinds of Chicken S tactics. I wonder how these same PC snivlers would feel if theyre own kids or family were captured and tortured then finally beheaded and drug through the streets beaten with sticks, burned and dismembered then publicly displayed on location and on Aljazeera for their 5 o clock daily snicker? What's next arming or troops with juice boxes and Dr. Phil speeches to suppress our enemies with loves and cuddles. Maybe we can trot out our Marines in Purple dinosaur costumes too! Give me a break! We watched our civilians jumping out of the Twin Towers on 9/11 and let's not forget how that felt shall we! Seriously folks get a life, let the whole mess be over soon. I thank all of our Vets past and present for all their sacrifices. If you absolutely positively want it destroyed over night.... don't call bed wetting liberals.... call the MARINES!

Sad to know that half of the people can't hold a adult convo. without swearing and blaming! I think all this is just a reason to fight within ourselves. Yes we were not in their shoes. No one knows why they did what they did. But we are posting judgement and embarrassing oursleves over what? I support them to a certain degree. Them being video taped created a great deall of issues and more could come of it. Don't come back here in a week and say pull the troops my friend just died from retaleyation. That is something that might come of this. We have to be prepared. To discuss hate the way half of you do is sicking! My brother was over in Afgan. and Iraq. I prayed he would make a defference and come home safe. He did! I sent troop pkgs to over 17 different units without even knowing the soliders I was sending them to. Who also stated that they were making a difference. You people act like some of these people don't want better lives then what they have. It was wrong. But should be forgiven because we don't know their state of mind!

Roodles.

Stop whining and trying to escape culpability for ignorance.

You can't distance yourself from the stench of your nefarious ideals by manufacturing false equivalencies.

We all know how this country became what it is today, and it ain't pretty. You're the only one with "White guilt." And you try real hard to distract from it by drawing false equivalencies and making claims of "race card" playing.

That's the biggest crock I've ever heard - weak.

It's twice as weak because you know you'll be yelling on another thread about how people are not real Americans if they hyphenate their names, speak with an accent, or aren't Christian. You'll be P 'Oed about "illegals" trying to take over YOUR America.

Everyone who thinks like you are notoriously inconsistent and transparent.

All the stuff you said was baloney.

What you REALLY wanted to say was, "Hey, all you Dark-skinned people and liberals! Stop pointing out how horrible White supremacy and imperialism has been and how there are STILL a great deal of people who continue to follow that thought pattern. It's making me too aware that I share the same skin color of those historical sociopaths and my only recourse is to try to shout you down and make false comparisons in order to feel more secure about myself." "Also, I would very much like to keep being a white supremacist and bigot."

That's what you REALLY want to say.

Nobody's fooled, though.

Have a nice day.

The four Americans worked for Blackwater but so what. They were four Americans sought out by the US State Department to work in areas that even our Special Forces wouldn't venture into without significant support. These guys were just going from point A to point B. They were shot to pieces because just prior the media made it a point to show the event where a contractor opened fire on two armed insurgents but in the fire-fight Iraqi civilians were hit. It doesn't justify the lack of proper fire discipline but those guys who were hacked to pieces were still US citizens and fellow Americans, I could care less if they worked for Black-Water, KBR, Haliburton, or whoever they had agreed to work for. Some of the most dangerous missions were conducting PSD (personal security detachment) escorts. If there had been a US military detachment when those Iraqis had opened fire on those vehicles I would have assisted those contractors and not sit there and let them be torn to pieces. People really need to look past movies like "Iraqi for Sale" and "Why We Fight" to see from the average joe perspective. Not every US contractor over there was attempting to milk the system and shoot anything and everyone that moved. I was over there on active duty and had not problem with the contractors working PSD missions.

It is truly amazing how many Dark skinned people are illegally rushing to get in on the white supremacy here in America.

There is no excusing the conduct of these "men" and they should be identified and UCMJ charges brought against them. Their actions will almost certainly bring Islamist retribution, quite possibly on U.S. soil. Just in case their is any doubt, I have no issue with Islamic Jihadists being taken out, but a U.S. Military professional doesn't treat a terminated enemy combatant like a mutt treats a tree trunk !!

Some folks just don't get it. After WWII, we could have herded the Germans into concentration camps and exterminated them. After all that's what they did to people. But then, we would have been no better than Hitler and his ilk. So we didn't do that. Simple proposition really. Whether we agree with the decision to go to war or not, we are at war with these folks because we don't LIKE how they treat people. So treating them the same way and justifying it by saying "look at what they do" defeats the whole purpose of what it is we say we are doing.

Yep. Nailed it exactly wants to know.

Jeremey Woodford,

It is not a photo. Its a video. Pity how you try defend those actions.

For World Peace, I don't condone those actions ,but I can understand them. Sitting here in the comfort of my office it's easy to judge,but when placed in a combat zone with your life in danger 24 hrs a day everyday seeing your best friends getting killed little girls with acid thrown in their face some of these soldiers are still kids fresh out of high school. Can you honestly say put in the same circumstances that you wouldn't do something you wouldn't normally do. Remember some of these troops can't legally drink.

I,m a cuban american vet, and agree with you 100%, they do horrorble things to us, well maybe is not the right thing to do, but for sure excusable and not to be punishable.

They need to be punished, end of discussion. It is not a MAYBE it is not the right thing to do. IT IS A NOOO! People like these, should not be allowed to join the Marines. It is not excusable. Do not try to justify this. These people are bullies. Because of people like these is why the world is how it is now.

Oh you are right because being in combat and under that type of pressure is the same as the UPS guy dropping off packages.

You have made my list of famous quotes on people who know nothing about combat or what war is like for those who are in it. These Marines took a leak on some dead enemy bodies and now the Marines are "bullies", I guess we should send a note of sympathy to the families of those "poor vicitmized" Taliban fighters. Classic. Continue to believe in your PC- Coca-Cola "I'd like to teach the world to sing" idea and the rest of us will keep seeking to place those individuals who want you dead just because you are an American, at least six feet under. I guess those Marines in the Pacific were bullies when they would light up those poor Japanese with a flame thrower and then mow them down with a Thompson sub-machine gun.

Poor poor Taliban. They never meant us any harm.

Really, your name says it all.

its from a video not a single picture- the pic is a still from the video just shown on CNN - perhaps you should read the story before commenting

cheese with that, mac...?lol

Wait until the pi$$ing on the quran videos come out. These muslims have beheaded soldiers, drug them thru the streets, hung them from bridges, and other unmentionable things. They should be so lucky its only a little P and not pigs blood.

Should've pissed on them before they killed them.

What a waste of good piss.

@ gigrr counter:

No cheese but a jack daniels n' coke would work right about now.

While island clearing during WWll our guys found mutilated bodies (genitals sticking in their mouths, that kind of thing) of dead comrades. The sentiment was returned in kind. It's the nature of the nasty beast up close and personal. In this case, I'd say there was a fire - and the Marines put it out.

Yup! Your system is down.

There won't be any pics of our dead..hasn't been for years. The press is in bed with the government. Used to be front page during Vietnam though.

Tell you what, Poindexter: why don't you go join the Corps, endure privation and the multiple losses of comrades-in-arms and try to keep your sanity. War makes men savages. You don't sit down and dine with people who are blowing up your friends. this stuff happens in every war and no nation has conducted itself as though we are still fighting "Gentleman's wars."

The Corps has responded - as they knew they had to. Leave 'em alone. They have more to worry about than how quickly a corpse rots in the sun.

Systems Down and how many months or years did you fight? How many times have you been shot at? You call these men fools and Really, really ignorant, terribly stupid men.Speak again after you have been what those men have been through. Im not saying what they did was right,if the pic is even real. But you have NO idea what goes through these solders minds after being in a war for so long.. Im also sure you have never in your sorry ass life done something stupid. I am a veteran

Pretty much right on Snook. Until someone has been in the s__t he can't really understand. War makes men savage. Well, it doesn't MAKE them savage, the savage was already there and all war does is turn the wolf loose. When a fine decent young man goes to war, and sees his friends turned into gobs of bloody gore he'll change, no doubt about that. He'll become as vile and savage as he has to be to keep on trucking. The thing is, it's required. Required to win because war is a savage business and to win one has to "Out-savage" the savages.

You don't have to live here you don't have to pay taxes. Go live with the enemy if you are so set against our troops.

Go live there yourself. You would fit right in.

These soldiers clearly are not interested in peace, we are suppose to be above this but these fools haven't learn;

You obviously need to learn what the definition of a solider is. Soldiers are not dispatched to war for peaceful reasons. They're out there putting their lives at risk and you're concerned about their intentions for peace? How about consider what they're worried about? Take into consideration all the sh*t they have seen over there. I would have to say, if there is a fool between your remark and these soldiers, it's gotta be you. You haven't learned.

You know jerri-1 you don't know and never will!! I also am a veteran but I don't excuse what they did as "out-savage" the savage but excuse it as young men who have seen to much in their young lives. Instead of being angry with what the did maybe people in general should be angry with "WHY" they did it!!! This war, for what ever reason we still want to excuse it, went on to damn long and the scars it left on our young men and women are not gonna wash away. These soldiers are not bad soldiers, their men who yes volunteer to be a Marine but you don't want war to prove your better than everyone else, War is set in front of you and you don't get a vote to say, hey I don't want to go fight, I want to stay here! And you sure as hell can't say, "I've had enough, send me home!" We volunteer because we believe in what all Americans believe in, " This is America, the strong and the brave." You do it to uphold that which was taught to you as a child. As a veteran I am sad for this but I would not condemn them but help them. Enough is enough.

So, ok, bottom line is simple; They do what they have to do, and, while doing it they become what they have to become; A killer. If they don't, well, they'll be the killed. Unfortunately, some of it becomes so ingrained in one's character that one can't live without it. I knew men who re-upped just to go back to 'Nam, walking point they never felt so alive, so in tune. Fortunately, they weren't the majority, most did their time, came home and went on with their lives, but there were those few who loved it. And, like it or not, those are the ones we need to fight our wars. Because, war, fighting, seems to be a natural condition of Man and there will always be wars because of the many men who rage when the war drums beat.

Im a marine and Ive been to war and if any of were ever a marine than you would know that we are held at a higher standard. These marines actions show they lack discipline and honor.

Piss on that war and the people who started it. They condem us, who gives a crap? We condem them, who

gives a crap? These Marines were just cleaning them up before they are thrown in a ditch and covered up.

Snook, 4 of my uncles and my dad fought in Vietnam and served YOUR country proudly. They were spit on by their OWN fellow Americans, and cursed at and called deplorable names. Not once did they show this kind of disrespect to this country even after the way they were treated. You speak about how war makes you a certain way, and that is probably very true, but how many other Americans went to the same war, saw the same things and didn't disrespect their country. When you CHOOSE to join the military and serve your country, you do so with pride and honor. You do it because you love your country and want to serve. There are thousands of other military members who didn't feel the need to show their country disrespect. You don't hear Korean War veterans, or WW1 & WW2 veterans doing this, and all those wars saw a lot of horrible things.

This was no way to show your country respect. I can understand the why, but I cannot accept that they did it. It disrespected our country and portrayed us all in a fashion that should not have been.

Of course this is MY OPINION, which by the way I have the right to voice, thanks to ALL the people who respected my country.

jerri 1, of course you have every right to your opinion, what you lack is understanding , the suicide rate of returning vets is at record highs why do you think that is ? These troops have been put in a position where they have seen things and killed people and it's taken it's toll where they can't handle it anymore, so as regrettable as this video is it's understandable if that's what it takes to help them make it through the rest of their lives then I have no problem with it. Hopefully one day they can come to understand why they did it as well as all of us here on this vine.

It would be easy for me to sit in my arm chair eating a great dinner, surrounded by family, in total comfort and safety and condemn these men for doing an insensitive thing to these bodies. However, I was not being shot at by these formerly alive people five minutes ago. I'm not affraid for my life every minute of the day. I do not share their awareness that had they not been the better shot, and if they themselves had been captured, they'd likely have been beheaded on television.

The real crime is taking and broadcasting this photograph. War is ugly all the way around, and it's not like Americans are treated any better, dead or alive, by the other side. We cannot expect that people on their fourth or fifth tour of this insanity are not at some point going to do something that's somewhat insane that the rest of us find unpalatable. Our sensibilities are offended but truly, the men are dead and no true damage was done. The damage is the Western media not thinking about national security and safety and broadcasting photos best ignored. They forget the test about the "need to know" in such affairs - none of us needed to know that a few soldiers who are living on a razor's edge did something crass and inappropriate.

Oh, piss on it...

I would love to write a 5,000 word essay on stupid but I only need one Name, do you know what that one name would be Jerri, Jerri are you still with us, Jerri would you like to respond!

You refer to our veterans as dogs, well Ill take that as a compliment if the only other option is refering them to yourself. dogs are faithfull, loyal, obedient, loving, usefull, valuable and dependable creatures qualities that you obviously do not posses. if you do not wish to pay for the freedoms you have then please go somewhere else and live your life, you are free to go.

I agree not the classy action but these guys don't need to see a cell or DHD. I think they did what most of us that went to the sandbox 1,2,3x or more would like to do. Although many say they serve out of honor it is a facade as most enlist due tolack ofalternatives. As well as other feelings most decisions occur rapidly and are based on many different reasons. Yes I'd piss on the body of someone that wanted to blow me to pieces and rape little girls

what happen to only needing a name?

@ jerri:

Since you made it pretty clear that your "tax dollars" pay for my wage and medical benefits for life (if you retired, but we will overlook your obvious lack of insight to the military). I would like a pay increase and better medical service & benefits. Thanks jerri for taking care of my paycheck, maybe you should be just as critical for the other people who collect a paycheck monthly from the US government. I am sure you can find errors in the system.

Norma -

We volunteer because we believe in what all Americans believe in, " This is America, the strong and the brave." You do it to uphold that which was taught to you as a child.

Certainly you know your parents better than I.

But honestly, reading your post, I don't believe they taught you to invade a country and rape, torture, and kill its citizens.

This stuff is wrong. It is morally indefensible. Did your parents teach you that you would be known by the company you keep?

While I agree that its not the best thing for our soldiers to do, I guess we should go do things the same way the Taliban do. Hey, let's behead them, then drag them through the streets. That is what they do to our dead. Its kind of ironic that everybody is horrified by what these soldiers did, yet they don't say anything to the people dragging our soldiers around. I guess maybe that's because they expect better from us, and know that the Taliban is a bunch of cruel people who have made it their life's work to learn better ways to torture and kill.

Who said "they" don't? Only you, who wishes to excuse it. Only you. Think about it.

OWWWWFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!! You people will never see how much crap the U.S hides behind close doors. All the invasion of our (US) personal privacy, the atrocious wars being fought for the sake of untapped mineral reserves and oil, the coverups up civilians deaths and torture in the middle east, the use of children in sweatshops in poor countries in the name of the american dream. Muslims are good people, despite the villainy being charged against them. muslims have not done half the crap the U.S has done. Muslims have WMD's? Remember the U.S fired ONE FIRST!!!!! So quit pointing fingers at Muslims. Only a few insane people are being looked at as muslims. Why is it that the 1% that owns this country aren't being looked at as the image of americans? Why not those gay molesting christian priests? or the hutaree radical christian group? Or crazy U.S military soldiers that piss on dead people? Or the congress men and woman that do not know how run this country? Why is it that despite all of this America continues to be looked at with flying colors? Curse that crap! What's the point of even commenting anyway? Your all a bunch of negative-auto-respond trolls with rocks for brains anyway. I am posting this just so that maybe one smart person would read this!

WTF? So our war crimes should be covered up so the public won't know? And the PATRIOTS that risk it all the let the public know should be called traitors? Sounds like you're a nationalist and NOT a patriot. One defends the government, the other defends the people.

I see only the righties defending this deplorable action.

I guess the righties - for all their religious bible thumping - have no honor and no humanity.

Of all the clowns calling pissing on a corps a war crime or those Marines stiupid, how meny of you have been in combat? How meny of your brothers have you seen blown up? You can sit back and enjoy the fruits of their lobors and deaths and then $hit mouth them. Given a chance I'd knock you on your a$$ and piss on you. It's easy for cowards to second guess the folks that are fighting and dieing to keep this nation safe.

Proud American Infidel,

We are not talking about India here. Pity how you try to defend the actions of those Marines involved in this incident.

Personally, I would love to see Mr India telling Proud American to kiss his orange white and green ass.

Well, we go from a story of American sailors saving Iranian sailors from Somoli pirates to American Marines pissing on dead Afganis. What a week. This just goes to show that our military is made up of individuals trained to work as a unit. The individuality is still there. Another sniper unit may have never thought about doing any of what this group did. It is chance that this happened, was filmed, and then released.

The Corp will take care of it's own. This action, if found to be real and not staged, reflects badly upon the Corp and the country, and the Corp does not stand for that.

Gee, Murph, you big tough guy. It's so manly of you to make threats against people you will never have to see or meet. Gee, I'm just shaking in my shoes at your tough talk. Your a wuss who would piss in your pants if someone raised a fist near you.

It's called demoralizing the enemy. In VietNam, cutting off a body part so they couldn't get to their "heaven," was practiced. Semper Fi...

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Google the Ron Paul video "Imagine". Educate yourselves everyone. Imagine the US were invaded by another country. Imagine the government of that invading country labeled us as insurgents as we were fighting to protect our country............Imagine.........

Okay. Now carry on about how disgusting it is, or how they all deserve it. Whatever.

ProIndividual, Comment 9.1, you rock!!

Proud American - India is India ...What do i care about it ? Sure it is the country of my birth and my extended family is still there but i am an American and just because i was born there does not take away my right to call out the rank hypocrisy of the rightie flag wavers like you who but for the accident of their birth are as ignorant of American values as any crazy eyed bearded taliban holed up in one of the rat holes of eastern afganistan.

HOO_RAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The idiots that did this put all of us in danger. It truly is boys like this that give americans a bad name. Someday there will be a country that comes and kicks our asses because of ignorant actions like this

Amen Bullwinkle and heartfire. The Marine Corp will take care of it's own. They are a branch that lives and dies for respect, and this clearly violated that. Heartfire, murph talks a talk because he has a computer to hide behind.

We are supposed to be a superior country, and this, well this just makes our country look horrible. How terrible for them to disrespect their FELLOW military family in such disregard. They have now respect for themselves, but more importantly their fellow sisters and brothers.

Imatthebeach, now imagine it's regular Afghans fighting a long side of those Americans protecting little girls from having acid thrown in their faces just for going to school

wlee, Call me Beach. Everyone does.

Uh...........we have neighborhoods in this country that are dangerous as hell. Where is the military?

It's no coincidence that, since our economy tanked and the "job-creators" took our jobs to other countries where those "job-creators" could put more money into their own pockets, we've been manufacturing weapons and shipping them and the members of our military to fight wars in far-off deserts.

Next.................

Ron Paul 2012

The person who released these types of videos for the world to see should be charged with treason because it puts every single American Citizen in the world in danger.

As does deciding to invade a sovereign nation for the sake of regime change.

If pissing on a corps is a war crime, then what is creating the corps in the first place? they should drag them over here so we can all take a turn. but that's just my opinion of the Taliban coming out. this is not even an issue, give them a medal and be done with it.

Beach, can't argue that, as far as Paul my only argument is the isolationism . Tek Knowledge without 9/11 we wouldn't be there. If you are talking about Iraq you might have an argument.

It was improper to piss on them. They should have covered them in pig guts and pig blood.

Mr. India

......"Proud American - India is India ...What do i care about it ? Sure it is the country of my birth and my extended family is still there but i am an American and just because i was born there does not take away my right to call out the rank hypocrisy of the rightie flag wavers like you who but for the accident of their birth are as ignorant of American values as any crazy eyed bearded taliban holed up in one of the rat holes of eastern afganistan"....

Thank you for raising the collective IQ of this country.

Well said.

The state is a killing machine...and it will not stop until it's abolished.

AVARAGE GUY..So you're admitting that YOU'RE delusional (sic)? Killing the enemy is a soldiers job (MARINES aren't SOLDIERS...they are MARINES FYI).

You think the HOLLYWOOD MOVIE is real? Yup...you ARE delusional (sic)!

Each and every Marine involved should be served a urination drink from the country involved!

Marines are supposed to be the best of the best. Pure fighting men of HONOR!!

THE MARINES HAVE FALLEN TREMENDOUSLY SINCE WWII! Now we read about their ignorance, inability to understand and respect their enemy. The enemy may be hard to see, and the enemy may be hard to fight and the enemy may be extreme, but they matter just as much as any human life.

I never thought I'd be asking if the Marines were men of honor. I do now. What has happened since Viet Nam is amazing! Marines are now a shadow of the brilliant fighters from WWII! Our military is one sick beast now. If you don't respect yourself and your enemy, you don't respect your own nation!

USA! CLEAN YOUR HOUSE! WE DON'T NEED PUNKS WITH PEE-PEE CALLING THEMSELVES MARINES! RESPECT YOUR ENEMY OR GET OUT!! THIS AIN'T WWII, IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD NOW.

Might does not make right! Somebody with a brain has to step in and clean house for the honor of the Marines!

Proud American Infidel...I'm not disagreeing what you have to say but when speaking of our military when there are more branches than Just the Marines they are usually referred to as solders. That seems to include our great Navy as well as Air Force,Army. I recently read where one of our Admirals stated that our Marines are the best solders in the world. I don't know if you have actually served our country or not,but one thing I have learned it takes all our military working together to get the job done. I feel bad for going off on this rant since its not about this article but you just hit a nerve with me.. EX U.S.Navy Seabee/Seal semper-fi

PS the Marines are a div of the Navy. They report to an Admiral.

Dave Simpson: This is not about the Marine Corps. It's about the mindset of our post 9/11 Nation of which these Marines are a part of.

Avarage Guy:

I hate to bust in upon your delusion, but "Armed Forces" are exactly that: Armed. We are not the Peace Corp, Job Corp, or the Red Cross. We are the force used to project might to promote national policy, and defend our country against aggression. We did not send a group of Girls Scouts into the country with boxes of cookies. We sent in Soldiers, Marines, Airmen (Airpersons?), and Sailors, and they were ARMED with weapons that kill. I don't have a problem with them killing. That is their job. Do I have a problem with them being in Afganistan? If the Taliban would have turned over that murdering S. O. B. back in 2001, then, yes, I would have a problem with that, but they didn't, did they?

@SNOOK:

Just an FYI, the United States Marine Corps is not "just a division of the Navy"; furthermore, the Corps does not report to an Admiral whatsoever. The Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Amos, reports to the Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus, and on occassion the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Dempsey. There is absolutely no chain of command that has the Marine Corps reporting to the Navy or vice versa.

Taliban are the crazy ones and have no concern about people dying, especially Americans or anyone else that does not believe what they do. Wake up, we didn't start the war, they did. The other crazy bast@rd Osama Bin Laden had no concern about over 3,000 Innocent people they killed in the World Trade Center Towers. They get and got what they deserved. War makes you a little crazy and these guys were letting off some steam.